Corruption Removal
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oldStatesman
Cybernaut
Good riddance. It was confusing and at it's worst led to things such as OCP, a concept you almost need a math degree to figure out, the need to mm every single city every turn, and it is plain boring.
SniperDevil
Skipper of Barnegat Bay
i agree.. corruption always led to confusing decisions and always pissed me off. A world without corruption is a better place.
Aussie_Lurker
Deity
This is a common misconception though. Corruption as a concept hasn't been REMOVED, it has merely been rolled into the broader concept of City Health. Now, it seems that corruption will be more the result of how large a city is in comparison to the city's underlying 'infrastructure'. Though it sounds like distance and OCN might still play a role in 'corruption', it no longer turns your outer cities into totally unproductive piles of crap 
! Instead, it gives you a potentially problematic city (i.e. low health and happiness) but with problems which are fairly easily solvable by the player!!!
Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.
! Instead, it gives you a potentially problematic city (i.e. low health and happiness) but with problems which are fairly easily solvable by the player!!!Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.
qazxc
Chieftain
Own said:
Keep corruption but, vary it depending on...
The extent of communications links to the capital (ie roads, railroads, ports, airports, radio, etc...)
The type of Government.
Courts and police.
Technological and Societal advances.
Player choice (similar to the Barbarians setting)
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DBear
unbeliever
It sounds like they have a better model now. It was just ridiculous to assume that Washington D.C. was the least corrupt city in the U.S. 
People are saying that it's less confusing and complicated. If you want to play a simple and mindless game, play Age of Empires or Warcraft.
I thought "Health" in cIV would be substitute for pollution, not corruption. Sounds pretty cool though. I do agree that Washington D.C. is certanly not the least corrupted city in America.
I thought "Health" in cIV would be substitute for pollution, not corruption. Sounds pretty cool though. I do agree that Washington D.C. is certanly not the least corrupted city in America.
Should be most corrupt. but we won't go there. As far as I am cocerned good buy to corruption and I an not going to miss it.DBear said:It sounds like they have a better model now. It was just ridiculous to assume that Washington D.C. was the least corrupt city in the U.S.
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
I didn't mind it, and it made sense in many ways. The problem is it became too much of a consideration for everyone. When people are looking for strategic city locations to minimize corruption, or moving you palace to some island halfway around the world because, for some reason, it improves corruption, meant that it became too much of a dominating factor.
I would have loved for it to be resolved some other way (like have "Mass Media" dramatically lower corruption), but I'm cautiously optomistic about what they have now.
I would have loved for it to be resolved some other way (like have "Mass Media" dramatically lower corruption), but I'm cautiously optomistic about what they have now.
Trade-peror
UET Economist
Yes, suddenly a game of building empires became a game of how to place cities to minimize corruption. I am glad they have decided on a new model.Louis XXIV said:
I have heard little about this new model, however--where are some of you getting the information that the "Health" concept is related to corruption? I don't see too much of a connection between the two...
Aussie_Lurker
Deity
Well, I confess the relationship between corruption and health is mostly conjecture on my part, except that Soren HAS said that pollution and corruption have been replaced with the city Health indicator-so my conjecture is based on a fairly solid foundation. I am guessing that increased population and unhappiness will reduce health-to simulate both the environmental and administrative problems of very high population cities.
Also, we know from interviews that the Forbidden Palace is still a Small Wonder which can be built, so why would that be in unless corruption was still represented in some way-albiet as a part of health?
Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.
Also, we know from interviews that the Forbidden Palace is still a Small Wonder which can be built, so why would that be in unless corruption was still represented in some way-albiet as a part of health?
Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.
covenant
Warlord
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Corruption was the worst feature in Civ 3. Totally unrealistic and utterly frustrating to play. Based on Civ 3, Seattle, San Fransisco and LA would be total wastelands of ineptitude. The British Empire never would have exsisted.
It was a dumb solution from the get go
It was a dumb solution from the get go
The Fjonis
Prince
A quick note; even if corruption is removed, there will still be an OCP, if they keep the 21-tile city system (ring system --> maximum efficiency --> there IS an OCP ).
).The big flaw in teh corruption model was taht it was essentially based on being the Nth farthest city from teh capital, rather than based on actual communication speeds. Thast why it was so counter-intuitive. Having core cities become more corrupt as your empire grows also made no sense - total corruption should be based on empire size.
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
Well, I do live in America.
I don't think I actually meant "mass media" when I wrote that. Probably something closer to modern communications. I'm really talking about telephones, radios (even telegraphs really) that dramatically reduced communication times and allowed the state to know what was going on over much of their country at a moments notice.
I don't think I actually meant "mass media" when I wrote that. Probably something closer to modern communications. I'm really talking about telephones, radios (even telegraphs really) that dramatically reduced communication times and allowed the state to know what was going on over much of their country at a moments notice.
Aussie_Lurker
Deity
Well, to me it would seem easy enough to have 'Infrastructure' improvements for your city-such as telecommunications networks, Power Grids and the like which all improve the Health of a city, by increasing the 'efficiency' of that city. Hopefully stuff like that will already be in the game, rather than requiring a mod!
Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.
Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
Darwin420 said:
No apologies needed
I understand completely what you meant
