COTM 27 Pre-Game discussion

[Ansar]

Im a Monarch player moving up to Emperor and I'm playing open class. For some reason, playing in Conquest-Class just doesent seem right to me...

 

[azzaman333]

Im a Monarch player moving up to Emperor and I'm playing open class. For some reason, playing in Conquest-Class just doesent seem right to me...

Monarch - Emperor didnt give me too much trouble, compared to my pathetic attempts at Demi-God so far.

 

[DBear]

I can win on Emperor as long as it isn't a pangaea. China has good traits for a warmongerer (military-industrial). Playing open, as usual, make up the victory condition as I go along, we'll see what happens.

 

[Ansar]

Monarch - Emperor didnt give me too much trouble, compared to my pathetic attempts at Demi-God so far.

What I mean is , as a Monarch -> Emperor player, Im trying this COTM(Demigod level) as open class.

I can win on Emperor as long as it isn't a pangaea. China has good traits for a warmongerer (military-industrial). Playing open, as usual, make up the victory condition as I go along, we'll see what happens.

Pangaea on emperor is harder because of the quick tech race, I'm currently playing with the Mayans on a 70% continents and tech pace is going smooth. China seems like a good civ to me, like you said, militaristic + industrial is a great combo, though I wonder if anyone is going to try any of the builder VC's? (I probably will...)

 

[fat-mans-reveng]

Just out of curiosity, anybody gonna play Conquest-Class?

I was considering it, but then decided against doing so. I need a good stomping by the AI every once in a while.

I just realized the problem with the Most agressive AI. My usual "If all else fails, go for diplomacy" probably won't work... This is going to be humiliating.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

It also means the AI's will cripple themselves in internal wars, often. Getting a lead in techs and whatnot is going to be easier, given you pull a good military force to keep you out of trouble when it comes.

 

[azzaman333]

I think the Most Aggressive AI will be an advantage. You can usually still suck up to the AI's, and they are more likely to attack each other.

 

[Kulko]

Well Ansar I am still thinking about it. Played the deity GOTM on coonquest and it went okish, until I got grounded to dust in an AI dogpile late in the MA.

But How about an open Survivor/Domination Challenge for everyone who has never succesfully finished a XOTM above emperor and isnt beating up Deity AIs regurlarly in his fun games?

The earliest DOM Victory wins, or in the (to be expected) absence of any victory the longest survoivor?

 

[azzaman333]

I'll be trying for a domination win, since in the last 3 COTM's, I've gone quite well in the 2 which i attempted to dominate the world. (Rome and Persia COTMs)

 

[Ansar]

Open Domination Challenge? Sure.

Alliances with the AI will probably make the game easier, though I'm not the warmonger type, I guess I'll try to be warmongerish.

 

[killerkid]

I won't do conquest, I dont like starting with bonuses.

 

[Paul#42]

I might have some time to play this one and after finishing Gotm57 in two hours, I'd like a longer game this time. So no Predator Domination / Conquest Challenge for me.

It might be another 20k - although this might be tough against demigod-AI... I'll ask Excel when I will finish if I fail to get a single AA wonder...

Palace prebuild would be essential this time - so the 20k-town goes to a river (with fp, wheat and hills) nearby...

Can we get the save, please?

 

[fat-mans-reveng]

Open domination/survival? I'm totally in! If I can make it out of the B.C.s while in a decent position, I'll be happy.

This is going to make me really pay close attention to this game though.

I think the best goal would be to have a hefty military throughout the entire game, both to take down pesky/small enemies, and to keep those larger enemies out of my cities. I think I'll try for the republic slingshot, and then try to get to swords soon afterwards. That should allow me to attack a nearby enemy, and hopefully expand my borders pretty well.

Looking forward to it!

 

[archphoenix]

To guess the map style, IMHO,
if it's difficulty is Warlord , horse and iron will far away,
even the house on the other continents.
and all "good AI" surrounding you. Rome, Greece, and Carthage etc etc...

since it's Demi-God, the iron maybe nearby, and we might settle on a horse!
and we may own a fairly good landmass without any AI in at least 10 tiles radius.

 

[King Of America]

@redbad -- moving (settling) NW will make 1 oasis available for use before the cultural expansion without losing the sugar 2 SW. With the moo, even if it's mined, we'll have a 2nd citizen before cultural expansion. Seems worth it to me to burn 1 turn. What do you think?

(anyone) Research: I think the slingshot is unlikely, although with the bonus Conquest settler _maybe_ it's possible. Maybe Pottery, Wheel, Iron Working. I'm thinking of Map Making before HBR--or is putting Caravels before Horses asking to be squashed?

 

[azzaman333]

If no AI's start w/alpha, i will aim for some sort of slingshot (most likely Lit). If 1-2 AI's, I'll make a decision depending on who they are. If 3 or more have alpha, i will abolish all plans for a slingshot, and do Pottery, Wheel, Iron Working, followed by HBR if i have horses, otherwise Maths.

 

[Redbad]

@redbad -- moving (settling) NW will make 1 oasis available for use before the cultural expansion without losing the sugar 2 SW. With the moo, even if it's mined, we'll have a 2nd citizen before cultural expansion. Seems worth it to me to burn 1 turn. What do you think?

Yes, it's a good move for a shield rich start. For myself I value in the beginning food and commerce more. Settling in place not only starts the empire a turn sooner, it also leaves another 2 city sites at the lake, 2NW and WSW.

If we do have an extra food bonus then 2 bg-like tiles combined with the 2 shields from the forest on growth, should be enough for a settler factory. If we don't have an extra food, then the 2NW-position also can use the cow. In any case I would irrigate the moo.

Growth is indeed sooner then expansion, but working the lake in between isn't all that bad either. It does give 2 food and 2 commerce.

I don't intend on doing a slingshot. Getting republic with it is very unlikely and getting any other tech is questionable and hardly worth the effort. I'd rather prepare for war, save money and mainly buy or pointy stick my ancient age research.

 

[Kulko]

Ansar and revenge, ok lets see who makes it into AD.

May the RNG be with you.

 

[azzaman333]

Ansar and revenge, ok lets see who makes it into AD.

May the RNG be with you.

Dont forget me!

 

[Taxpayer'sMoney]

Well I was going to issue my own Pacifist Challenge, but it seems we're all challenged out. Nevertheless I shall go for a 5CC 20K win. Mainly 'cause I don't expect to be able to build many more than five cities before the AI has grabbed the rest of the land, and because I am bored and bewildered by military VCs.

I can't actually see the map right now for some reason, but if you can see the absolute worst spot to settle that's where I'll be. This is not an attempt to further handicap myself, it's just incompetence.