Detlef Richter
The Pikeman
At work, i only buy Celerons (best prive achievment).
My notebook works with a P4/1.7 and at home i have a P3/700.
My notebook works with a P4/1.7 and at home i have a P3/700.
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HAND
Armchair Philosopher
I'm using a Celeron 533mhz at the moment...
But i have an Athlon 64 3200+ with others parts on their way to me right at this very moment so i ticked the Athlon 64 box
But i have an Athlon 64 3200+ with others parts on their way to me right at this very moment so i ticked the Athlon 64 box
CIVPhilzilla
Reagan Republican
Pentium 3 for mine, Pentium 4 for my dads
I have an old engineering sample Athlon, but no more where those came from.
AMD is not the same company it was a few years ago. I expect it to do little more than poke at Intel until it buys AMD outright and shuts it down.
I would go get some new hardware, but my money has "other priorities".
AMD is not the same company it was a few years ago. I expect it to do little more than poke at Intel until it buys AMD outright and shuts it down.
I would go get some new hardware, but my money has "other priorities".
HAND
Armchair Philosopher
alamo said:I have an old engineering sample Athlon, but no more where those came from.
AMD is not the same company it was a few years ago. I expect it to do little more than poke at Intel until it buys AMD outright and shuts it down.
I would go get some new hardware, but my money has "other priorities".
If anyone buys AMD it will be IBM. I reckon AMD has a future with its A64/Operton cpus.
Intel has decided to ditch its "Net-Burst" architecture which will probably open a significant hole in the market in the not so distant future. Intel will increase the R+D based on the Pentium-M to create a good desktop 64-bit version most likely.
Perfection
The Great Head.
I got myself a 1.7ghz P4 processor 
shadowdude
cynic in training
A celeron~1ghz
What's the difference between a pentium and a celeron?
What's the difference between a pentium and a celeron?
lord_yoshi
Making fun of you
1 P4
3 AthlonXP
1 Celeron
1 Cyrix
1 P2
1 486
1 386
1 286
3 AthlonXP
1 Celeron
1 Cyrix
1 P2
1 486
1 386
1 286
hbdragon88
haunted by blackness
A Celeron has half the L2 cache of a P4. Now, can someone explain what an "L2 cache" is and what it does?shadowdude said:
HAND
Armchair Philosopher
and the celeron will have a slower fsb.. and might lack a few of the instructions that the pentium has.
MarineCorps
Explosion!
Whats an fsb?
I hate HP, Becuase of what they call the motherboard installed on my computer, it is gonna cost me $300 dollars to upgrade my CPU(new motherboard, new RAM, and new CPU).
It's like shooting myself in the foot.
It's gonna be several months before I can have that kind of money. And thats without buying anything else and withdrawing $100 from my bank account.
I hate HP, Becuase of what they call the motherboard installed on my computer, it is gonna cost me $300 dollars to upgrade my CPU(new motherboard, new RAM, and new CPU).
It's like shooting myself in the foot. It's gonna be several months before I can have that kind of money. And thats without buying anything else and withdrawing $100 from my bank account.
MarineCorps
Explosion!
Short for Level 2 cache, cache memory that is external to the microprocessor. In general, L2 cache memory, also called the secondary cache, resides on a separate chip from the microprocessor chip. Although, more and more microprocessors are including L2 caches into their architectures.
Ok. Your right on that.
Ok. Your right on that.
classical_hero
In whom I trust
I've go an AthlonXP (even though I accidently voted diffetently) but can't remember the exact speed. It is about 2.4 GHz if my memory stand correct.
DreadCthulhu
Warlord
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First, I will say I run a AthlonXP 2000+ as my main computer, and will be upgrading to an Athlon64 as soon as PCI-E boards are available for it.
In modern processors, the L2 cache is basically a small amount (from 128kb to 1 mb are common amounts seen in modern processors) of really fast memory built into the processor that sits inbetween the processor's L1(an even smaller but faster bit of memory built into the CPU, where the other parts of the CPU get the info to do processing on) and the computer's RAM. The Pentium 4 Extreme Editions take this even further, and add 2mb of L3 cache to the processor. Basically, the more cache you have, the faster the processor is in most cases. Celerons are Pentium 4's with half of the cache disabled(and a slower FSB, but I will mention that later); this allows Intel save some money, by using otherwise good processors that just had some errors in the cache. AMD does the same thing with the Duron processors - a Duron is just an Athlon XP with half the cache. Adding more cache will make a processor faster.
Note that different processor designs are more dependent on cache memory than others. For example, the Northwood core Pentium 4's are very dependant on having lots of cache - a 1.6ghz Duron will beat a 2.6 Northwood Core Celeron in almost every test. The Prescott core Celeron D chips, with twice as much L2 cache, and various enhancments, are much better performers.
Now, the Front Side Bus, or FSB for short, is basically a measure of how fast the processor talks to the memory controller chip(usually integrated into a chip that talks to a lot of things, called the Northbridge) on the motherboard. The memory controller then communicates with the RAM. A faster Front Side Bus means a faster processor, though different designs benfit more, and some don't need as fast as a connection. Common Front Side Bus speeds are 133mhz, 200mhz, 266mhz, 333mhz, 400mhz, 533mhz, and 800mhz. This covers the range from old Pentium 3s to various Durons, AthlonsXPs, Celerons, and Pentium 4s.
Just a note, the Athlon 64 processors don't have a Front Side Bus in the traditional sense - the memory controller on an Athlon 64 is built right into the processor, not into the motherboard, so the CPU can talk directly with the memory, with a hypertransport link. This site explains it pretty well.
Right now, the Socket 939 Athlon 64's already have an effective 2000mhz (1000mhz x DDR)connection with the memory. No need to wait for Intel to catch up.
Of course, PCIe boards for the Athlon 64 are just starting to hit the review sites.
hbdragon88 said:
In modern processors, the L2 cache is basically a small amount (from 128kb to 1 mb are common amounts seen in modern processors) of really fast memory built into the processor that sits inbetween the processor's L1(an even smaller but faster bit of memory built into the CPU, where the other parts of the CPU get the info to do processing on) and the computer's RAM. The Pentium 4 Extreme Editions take this even further, and add 2mb of L3 cache to the processor. Basically, the more cache you have, the faster the processor is in most cases. Celerons are Pentium 4's with half of the cache disabled(and a slower FSB, but I will mention that later); this allows Intel save some money, by using otherwise good processors that just had some errors in the cache. AMD does the same thing with the Duron processors - a Duron is just an Athlon XP with half the cache. Adding more cache will make a processor faster.
Note that different processor designs are more dependent on cache memory than others. For example, the Northwood core Pentium 4's are very dependant on having lots of cache - a 1.6ghz Duron will beat a 2.6 Northwood Core Celeron in almost every test. The Prescott core Celeron D chips, with twice as much L2 cache, and various enhancments, are much better performers.
Now, the Front Side Bus, or FSB for short, is basically a measure of how fast the processor talks to the memory controller chip(usually integrated into a chip that talks to a lot of things, called the Northbridge) on the motherboard. The memory controller then communicates with the RAM. A faster Front Side Bus means a faster processor, though different designs benfit more, and some don't need as fast as a connection. Common Front Side Bus speeds are 133mhz, 200mhz, 266mhz, 333mhz, 400mhz, 533mhz, and 800mhz. This covers the range from old Pentium 3s to various Durons, AthlonsXPs, Celerons, and Pentium 4s.
Just a note, the Athlon 64 processors don't have a Front Side Bus in the traditional sense - the memory controller on an Athlon 64 is built right into the processor, not into the motherboard, so the CPU can talk directly with the memory, with a hypertransport link. This site explains it pretty well.
fret said:Ive got a P4 2.6 running at 3.38.
Im holding of upgrading until PCIe gets a better foothold and the 1066mhz FSB arrives
Right now, the Socket 939 Athlon 64's already have an effective 2000mhz (1000mhz x DDR)connection with the memory. No need to wait for Intel to catch up.
Of course, PCIe boards for the Athlon 64 are just starting to hit the review sites.
