creation of scenario for the 1992 Bosnian war

[damir_k87]

There used to be a scenario in civ3 for this, and it was quite good although a bit biased. Still it was quite fun to play. So I just want to see if there is anyone interested in making this mod. I'll need three civilizations Bosnians/Bosniaks/Muslims, Bosnian Croatians and Bosnian Serbs for this one (maybe NATO and Serbian Serbs but we'll see how we will implement this). Also a good map of Bosnia will be needed. And finally the most important bit is that it actually potrays the Bosnian sotuation back then. Any sort of additional useless bias will kill this scenario. I would want the scenario to be so good that even non-exyugoslav people will enjoy it. Anyone interested?

 

[AndersenDK]

I think its a bit sick to make a scenario about a war that raged in the 90's. That was a very evil war, and a lot of slaugthering was made, I simply dont understand that you can want to play that war?

They killed a lot of innocent civilians, and buried them im big massgraves.. And its only ca. 10 years ago? No no no.

 

[Connery]

I think its a bit sick to make a scenario about a war that raged in the 90's. That was a very evil war, and a lot of slaugthering was made, I simply dont understand that you can want to play that war?

They killed a lot of innocent civilians, and buried them im big massgraves.. And its only ca. 10 years ago? No no no.

So, let me get this straight, it's OK to play in a scenario that happened, say, 40 years ago or 100 years ago where a lot of innocent civilians were killed and buried in big massgraves.... but not a scenario that happened 10-15 years ago? That makes no sense at all.

Edit:
Actually i'm all in favour of "focused" scenarios like these. I'm up for grabs if anyone makes this.

 

[damir_k87]

So, let me get this straight, it's OK to play in a scenario that happened, say, 40 years ago or 100 years ago where a lot of innocent civilians were killed and buried in big massgraves.... but not a scenario that happened 10-15 years ago? That makes no sense at all.

Edit:
Actually i'm all in favour of "focused" scenarios like these. I'm up for grabs if anyone makes this.

 

[Slaven]

I think its a bit sick to make a scenario about a war that raged in the 90's. That was a very evil war, and a lot of slaugthering was made, I simply dont understand that you can want to play that war?

They killed a lot of innocent civilians, and buried them im big massgraves.. And its only ca. 10 years ago? No no no.

And how many scenarios are made of war in Iraq, or Afganistan? but in these wars were no crime, these wars were GOOD war, is it?( there is NO good or evil war, war is simply war). Becouse of that war ( in Bosnia) I lost my house, many of my friends lost fathers or some other relatives. But for you WESTERNS it is just a EVIL war where some bad boys ( serbs ) kill some inocente people ( muslims and croats ) . Well you are fu..ing wrong, muslims killed serbs to, they raped serbs womens, made a lot of war crime, a lot of slaughtering etc.And all blame for this war goes to Germany and USA. U think I am insane, but you are living in a black hole, and see no further than your nose. And I playd this scenario on civ3, and I was glad to have a chance to destroy muslims. I cant wait for someone to make scenario of Bosnian war on civ4.

 

[Connery]

But for you WESTERNS..

We Westerners don't all agree on the same points. If you read the above posts only Andersen disagreed on the subject of the scenario.
As for war, regardless of whatever factions are involved, both sides commit atrocities and war crimes, war is a nasty business.

 

[jlocke]

this forum, as i understand it, is for completed scenarios only.
Please do not discuss issues of morality and politics on this forum.
Further, everyone is free to make scenarios out of whatever they want.
If you wanted to make a scenario where you kill civilians, fine. I won't play it, but that's your right.
It is correct though, that we shouldn't let Civ desensatize us to real violence and real war and murder that is happening all around us every day.

 

[damir_k87]

Civ desensatize us???
Maan r u kidding me? Have u ever played a bloody war game or watched war movies?

A unit moves in to a city and a thing comes up saying "You've captures such and such". How can that s*it desensatize you. Far out there are some bloody soft people on these forums.

And more importantly this is a forum about making the Bosnian war scenario, it is not a forum whether it should be made or not. If anyone believes it shouldn't be made for some gay reason as mentioned earlier, then fine, take it elsewhere on some other forum!

 

[General_Putnik]

i think if you wanted to do that then probably you wouldnt want to have Croatia and Serbia there, i think the best way for this would be to have payments and units from those places show up on the warring sides, also eventns that would or would not happen.

also what would be the point ...how are you going to do the siege of sarajevo and to what detail would you do this?

i think its a great idea - just it would be difficult...plus i think given the charged nature of the war...

 

[damir_k87]

To be honest I don't have a clue how I will implement that. All I know is that it would be very fun to play if done properly, and that with a group of people working on it it can potentially be done.

 

[General_Putnik]

even though we probably have to nail down a set of specific factions.


I would even go as far as including the Krajina serbs and the Velika Kladusa Moslems.

 

[damir_k87]

yeah I was only thinking of the Bosnian war not the whole Yugoslavia.
we'll also have to get rid of many technologies like stealth bombers etc...

i dunno maybe this is too big to make.....

 

[Drogear]

I think its a bit sick to make a scenario about a war that raged in the 90's. That was a very evil war, and a lot of slaugthering was made, I simply dont understand that you can want to play that war?

They killed a lot of innocent civilians, and buried them im big massgraves.. And its only ca. 10 years ago? No no no.

oh plz, its just a game/scen, if want to talk about vidéo/comp game violence/moral there sure is worst examples than this... really.

 

[Shqype]

And I playd this scenario on civ3, and I was glad to have a chance to destroy muslims. I cant wait for someone to make scenario of Bosnian war on civ4.

You've got some serious issues!

Someone once requested I make a scenario on one aspect of the many wars in the former Yugoslavia. I decided if I did do something, I would make it "all-encompassing" (not just focus on one aspect but all of them, beginning in the early 90s with the breakup of Yugoslavia and ending with the freedom of Kosova).

Now I'm working on a few projects (the Ancient Mediterranean, Eastern European Battles, Star Wars), but perhaps in the future I might re-investigate and begin to take up this project.

One thing's for sure, I'de implement a genocide feature.

 

[General_Putnik]

yeah...albanian implementation of genocide, definitly something you guys are experts off

 

[Shqype]

An Albanian would implement the possibility through code, a Serb would implement the strategy during play

 

[damir_k87]

An Albanian would implement the possibility through code, a Serb would implement the strategy during play

lol, well said!

I general_putnik prestani podjebavat na ovom forumu. Just because you can't control your racist and facist (cetnik) feelings, it doesn't mean that you can use these forums to let them out.

 

[Red Door]

And how many scenarios are made of war in Iraq, or Afganistan? but in these wars were no crime, these wars were GOOD war, is it?( there is NO good or evil war, war is simply war). Becouse of that war ( in Bosnia) I lost my house, many of my friends lost fathers or some other relatives. But for you WESTERNS it is just a EVIL war where some bad boys ( serbs ) kill some inocente people ( muslims and croats ) . Well you are fu..ing wrong, muslims killed serbs to, they raped serbs womens, made a lot of war crime, a lot of slaughtering etc.And all blame for this war goes to Germany and USA. U think I am insane, but you are living in a black hole, and see no further than your nose. And I playd this scenario on civ3, and I was glad to have a chance to destroy muslims. I cant wait for someone to make scenario of Bosnian war on civ4.

There are no scenarios about wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Shqype]

"Ocu neshto da ti kazhem" :: U z'di çka je tue thanë, djal! Fol Shqyp more!

and btw...serbs fought the nazis - you helped them.

Yea, but they fought them because they were Germans which put huge restrictions on Serbia and punished them (grudge because of Gabrilo Princip). So they were more fighting to restore what was the status quo than to join a multi-national effort to prevent the holocaust and other forms of genocide.

PS - SS Skanderbeg division is not something to be proud of, and they get a bad rap for siding with the Germans (everyone does for picking the losing side), but they joined to fight off their Serbian enemies (which were enemies of the Germans), not to commit genocide on the Jews or other groups!

During World War II Albanians were having their own civil war, at the same time trying to get rid of occupiers and enemies (Italians, Germans, Serbs, Greeks, Communists, Fascists, etc.)

So, about the creation of a scenario for the Breakup of Yugoslavia...

 

[alinurdengizich]

Slaven,
Please talk carefully, I'm from Turkey and I'm a Muslim. We don't want to kill Christians or Serbians,Bosnians were the victims and after all of these you are talking about killing more innocent Muslims. I don't say that there wasn't any christian victim or a guilty muslim. Don't insult us, because we don't insult serbians