I don't HATE CTP, but I prefer the "real" CIV games. I have recently brought out my old CTP1 CD (I never bought CTP2), and have been playing it. I think that my biggest complaint is all of the units that have special attacks that can affect your cities with out declaring war, e.g. corporations, lawyers, televangelists, etc. It is really frusterating when you have to keep asking them to leave. I'd rather just have open warfare than all of that.