Cumulative History Quiz #4
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Serutan
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Maybe Napleon 256 should pose another question, since
Starlifter doesn't seem interested in doing so.
Starlifter doesn't seem interested in doing so.
Sodak
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He's just trying to think of a 2,000 word questionOriginally posted by Lucky
I´ll PM starlifter, he sure has enough time for us during his 20h visit to these fora per day!
I think he's just forgotten (being such a busy poster). Hopefully starlifter can come back with a question soon. 
Let's get this quiz moving.
Let's get this quiz moving.starlifter
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Apologies about my abscense from this thread. I just got Lucky's PM from a couple days ago. It's been a busy week. It's fine by me if someone takes by question if I'm gone for more than a coule days .
OK, Question.... This will probably be easy for Europeans.
What was the first major French victory against the English in 1429, why was it significant, and what larger war was is part of? Who was the primary leader of each side (Fr & Eng), and what was the ultimate fate of those 2 leaders (preferrably including year and location of death).
Hint: The first names of the 2 leaders both start with the letter "J".
.OK, Question.... This will probably be easy for Europeans.
What was the first major French victory against the English in 1429, why was it significant, and what larger war was is part of? Who was the primary leader of each side (Fr & Eng), and what was the ultimate fate of those 2 leaders (preferrably including year and location of death).
Hint: The first names of the 2 leaders both start with the letter "J".
Evie
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Orleans, because it was the first major victory of the "The Maid of Orleans" which lifted the spirit of France after many, many defeats. It also had significance in "confirming" her as "God's liberator of france".
Joan of Arc, and for the other, guessing, (Sir) John Falstoff. Joan bit the dust in 1431 because she liked playing with fire too much. I don't know when Falstoff died, and I'm not even sure he was the leader on the other side.
Joan of Arc, and for the other, guessing, (Sir) John Falstoff. Joan bit the dust in 1431 because she liked playing with fire too much
. I don't know when Falstoff died, and I'm not even sure he was the leader on the other side.starlifter
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The name John is right, but not Falstoff. Joan of Arc (Jeanne D'Arc), 1431, & Orleans is right, but what larger war was it part of? Another hint about the English leader is that he did not survive the larger war, and indeed played a role in one of it's last battles many years after Orleans.
BTW, Joan was ultimately made a Saint by the Catholic Church. We'll wait a little longer to see if anyone else can come up with the rest of the details.
Evie
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Oh, that would be the hundred years war. And I was aware of her being made a saint , and of Jeanne D'Arc beign her other name. It's the name I'm used to hearing her reffered as, after all . *is from Québec*
As for the John, I have no idea.
, and of Jeanne D'Arc beign her other name. It's the name I'm used to hearing her reffered as, after all . *is from Québec*As for the John, I have no idea.
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The John Falstoff you mention was involved at the battle of Patay, shortly after Orleans. Falstoff escaped, but the John in command of the English in Orleans did not (he was captured by Jeanne's forces and later ransomed). But at Orleans, J.T. was the English commander, and his ultimate fate was interesting, though not quite as dramatic as Jeanne's burrning after condemnation by her own French clergy, and betrayal by the French King she put on the throne, Charles VII. 
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Are you refering to the English commander who was killed by a lucky French artillery shot? 
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Since Oda Nobunaga got most of it, and to keep the thread going, then Oda can ask the next question.
What I had in mind was John Talbot! Easy now, for history buffs, probably. I figured Europeans would know it pretty well, but maybe Americans might not. The UK folks, for sure!
John Talbot (the Earl of Shrewsbury, AKA "the English Lion") took over shortly after the death of the Earl of Salisbury, who was killed a couple months after the siege of Orleans began the year before (1428).
Even more important than losing the battles of Orleans to Joan and her men, Talbot lost the battle of Patay just over a month later... which was the turning point of the 100 Years' was. This battle is roughly equivilent to the Battle of Midway (WW II) for American readers -- it was of colossal importance in the 100 Years' War.
BTW, John Falstoff fled the battlefield, and was stripped of his Order of the Garter (though later is was restored) for his cowardice. Talbot and his troops stood and fought Jeanne's troops, and were routed. Talbot was captured, and later ransomed.
He later appeared back in the fray of the 100 Years' War against the French in 1451, in Bordeaux, where the King of England began retaking French territory. However, in 1453, at the conclusive Battle of Castillon, Talbot was overwhelmingly defeated by one of the first decisive uses of Firearms in European battle.
The French firearms were deployued and directed by none other than the famous Bureau brothers, Jean and (I forget)... ???, and the die was cast. Unfortunately for Talbot and his cavalry, the French had massed their gunpowder weapons in preparation for battle.... Talbot dismounted his troops under the hail of flying lead, but he himself elected to remain in the saddle.
So it is of ironic historical footnote that Talbot (in his 70's, with over 50 years of military service) was not actually killed by a firearm, but by a French Archer (the English had defeated superior French forces many times with English archers!), who cracked his skull open with a battle axe when Talbot was pinned beneath his fallen horse during battle.
BTW, this is the last battle of the Hundred Years War, and marked the ascendancy of both England and France as "national" powers in the more modern sense.
Talbot is sometimes used by historians as an example of a leader who, despite a 50 year career, ultimately fails his cause, and perhaps better known (in the UK) for his brutal and bloody work in Ireland and Wales.... sometimes being compared to ferocious (and to some, monsters) military leaders in history such as Hitler, Stalin, General Sherman (American Civil War), Hannibal, Atilla the Hun, Alexander the Great, etc.
So an Archer's Axe to the skull at he dawn of th Gunpowder Age is perhaps a fitting end, though still not at dramatic as Jeanne's Burning at the Stake.
What I had in mind was John Talbot! Easy now, for history buffs, probably. I figured Europeans would know it pretty well, but maybe Americans might not. The UK folks, for sure!
John Talbot (the Earl of Shrewsbury, AKA "the English Lion") took over shortly after the death of the Earl of Salisbury, who was killed a couple months after the siege of Orleans began the year before (1428).
Even more important than losing the battles of Orleans to Joan and her men, Talbot lost the battle of Patay just over a month later... which was the turning point of the 100 Years' was. This battle is roughly equivilent to the Battle of Midway (WW II) for American readers -- it was of colossal importance in the 100 Years' War.
BTW, John Falstoff fled the battlefield, and was stripped of his Order of the Garter (though later is was restored) for his cowardice. Talbot and his troops stood and fought Jeanne's troops, and were routed. Talbot was captured, and later ransomed.
He later appeared back in the fray of the 100 Years' War against the French in 1451, in Bordeaux, where the King of England began retaking French territory. However, in 1453, at the conclusive Battle of Castillon, Talbot was overwhelmingly defeated by one of the first decisive uses of Firearms in European battle.
The French firearms were deployued and directed by none other than the famous Bureau brothers, Jean and (I forget)... ???, and the die was cast. Unfortunately for Talbot and his cavalry, the French had massed their gunpowder weapons in preparation for battle.... Talbot dismounted his troops under the hail of flying lead, but he himself elected to remain in the saddle.
So it is of ironic historical footnote that Talbot (in his 70's, with over 50 years of military service) was not actually killed by a firearm, but by a French Archer (the English had defeated superior French forces many times with English archers!), who cracked his skull open with a battle axe when Talbot was pinned beneath his fallen horse during battle.
BTW, this is the last battle of the Hundred Years War, and marked the ascendancy of both England and France as "national" powers in the more modern sense.
Talbot is sometimes used by historians as an example of a leader who, despite a 50 year career, ultimately fails his cause, and perhaps better known (in the UK) for his brutal and bloody work in Ireland and Wales.... sometimes being compared to ferocious (and to some, monsters) military leaders in history such as Hitler, Stalin, General Sherman (American Civil War), Hannibal, Atilla the Hun, Alexander the Great, etc.
So an Archer's Axe to the skull at he dawn of th Gunpowder Age is perhaps a fitting end, though still not at dramatic as Jeanne's Burning at the Stake.
