Czechs-question

[REDY]

Made someone Mod with Czechs? If not I may help with cities, military and scientific leaders, but leaderheads and units I cant make . Maybe we may do European or Slavonic rules which will have only European or Slavonic civilizations..what are you thinking about it. I understand that Czech civilization is small and hasnt influence as England,France or Russia, but I dont like for cities which i dont know(Zulu,Carthage,Byzantines,Inca,Aztecs),which is completely out of my culture(Korea,Japan,India). So I allways plays for France,England,America and Russia I know that you maybe think that I may make cities and others and play, but when I saw Lincoln or Joan, it is for .

 

[bombshoo]

Czech is an interesting nation...some units for them would be cool...but they usally bought from Russia after 1945, and probaly from England before then...Problem is up until recently, your nation has unfortunatly always been dominated by others...Its central location makes it hard to defend. Some Bohemian units might be cool though...

 

[REDY]

Bohemia was under German influence centuries, but allways had rule to voting their kings...And Czechoslovakia was 6 th economical nation. But after it was German invade,Soviet liberate,and in 1992 divorced to two nations Czech Republic and Slovakia.

 

[TopGun]

I second introducing the Chechs into our mods. The first thing we need though, before anything else, is a good era-specific leaderhead. The leader could be Premysl Ottakar I, king of Bohemia (1198-1230). He was the younger son of King Vladislav II (d. 1174) and a member of the Premysl dynasty.
His early years were passed amid the anarchy which prevailed everywhere in the country, after several struggles, in which he took part, he was recognized as ruler of Bohemia by the emperor Henry VI in 1192. He was, however, soon overthrown, but renewing the fight in 1196 he forced his brother, duke Vladislav Jindrich, to abandon Bohemia to him and to content himself with Moravia. Although confirmed in the possession of his kingdom by the German king, Philip of Swabia, Ottokar soon deserted Philip, who thereupon declared him deposed. He then joined the rival German king, Otto of Brunswick, afterwards the emperor Otto IV, being recognized as king of Bohemia both by Otto and by his ally, Pope Innocent III. Philip's consequent invasion of Bohemia was successful. Ottakar, having been compelled to pay a fine, again ranged himself among Philip's partisans and still later was among the supporters of the young king, Frederick II.

He reunited Moravia with Bohemia in 1222, and when he died in December 1230 he left to his son, Wenceslaus I, a kingdom united and comparatively peaceable.


... I'll try to find a porttrait of him and then I'll post a formal LH request. Maybe R8XFT or CivArmy will be tempted to give us more leaderheads...

 

[TopGun]

On another note, as far as units and their provenience go... The czechs were always pretty good with making Artillery units. The guns made by Škoda almost won WWI for the Austria-Hungarian empire, of which Bohemia (a.k.a. the land of the Czechs) was a part of back then. Then, in WWII, the Germans used Škoda tanks, such as the PzKW 38(t) and the Jagdpanzer Hetzer. (Ripptide made both).
Going further back in time, there's the Hussite War Wagons, late Medieval "tanks"...

 

[REDY]

And do not forgot, in Austria-Hugary it was wealthiest region...

 

[Aluminium]

On another note, as far as units and their provenience go... The czechs were always pretty good with making Artillery units. The guns made by Škoda almost won WWI for the Austria-Hungarian empire, of which Bohemia (a.k.a. the land of the Czechs) was a part of back then. Then, in WWII, the Germans used Škoda tanks, such as the PzKW 38(t) and the Jagdpanzer Hetzer. (Ripptide made both).
Going further back in time, there's the Hussite War Wagons, late Medieval "tanks"...

Isn't the name 'howitzer' derived from a czech word?

 

[REDY]

I think no, maybe German, but Czech hasnt words with "tz",w is only formal in Czech alphabet, and I dont know anythink about similiar word in Czech...In Czechia during Austria-Hungary Czech was language for poor people and only some writers and scienters used this. In Czechoslovakia were many Germans to WW2 too.

But modern Czech gave many languages word "Robot" which used Czech writer Karel Capek(maybe you know something about him)

Premysl Otakar I. is good king but many kings had bigger influence. I vote for Charles IV.,which built Charles Bridge,Charles University,Vit´s Cathedral? Others are Premysl Otakar II.,Rudolf II.(foolish,but culture expander),Jan Zizka(he is not state leader but why not, his leaderhad will be very interesting for graphic makers) and maybe Tomas Garigue Masaryk, first president and person with great charisma.

 

[REDY]

Now I think yes. "houfnice" is very similiar with spelling in Howitzer. You are clever

 

[Aluminium]

The German word is "Haubitze". The ending "tz" is typical for words of west slavic origin in Germany.

 

[REDY]

Hmm how they are named in English? In Czech Lužičtí Srbové...

 

[Boleslav]

Hmmm.

The Czechs are well overdue represention on Civ.

I don't think 'Howitzer' entered the English language from Czech. (bohuzel.)
However, Czech did give English 'pistol' and 'robot', two very fine words that sum up why the Czechs ought be be characterized as 'industrious' in any mod.

The leader has got to be either Charles IV or Tomas Garrigue Masaryk. The Czechs had their first and second golden ages under these leaders.

As for a unique unit, It's got to be the Hussites. They may only have been peasants with clubs and pitchforks, but they rampaged all over Europe and beat many great Catholic armies and Knights along the way.

 

[TopGun]

UU: The Hussite War Wagon, carries up to 2 foot units!

What we also need for the czechs are Hand Cannoneers, Swordsmen, Clubmen... etc all in Hussite armor and garb. This picture gives a pretty good impression of what they looked like.

 

[TopGun]

... the ever-faithful crossbow, Hussite style.

 

[REDY]

The list of the Science leaders:
Prokop Diviš, Jaroslav Heyrovský, František Laurin, Václav Klement, Stanislav Bechyně, Jan Perner, Jakub Krčín z Jelčan, František Křižík, Mikulᚠz Kadaně, Josef Gerstner, Josef Božek, Josef Rosenauer, Josef Ressel, Karel Klíč, Gregor Mendel, Viktor Kaplan, Jan Jánský, Jan Kašpar.

So there is no problemo

 

[Boleslav]

Also: Kepler, Tycho Brahe, Jan Komensky.

 

[TopGun]

Wasn't Kepler Polish? Or was that Copernicus? I always confuse the two...

 

[Adler17]

Gregor Mendel and Johannes Kepler were both German. Mendel was born in Silesia but worked in Moravia (Brünn). Copernicus was also a German. He was born in Thorn in Western Prussia. Although born near the Polish border in a time in which Poland gained the Prussian states, Thorn was populated mainly by German settlers. And Copernicus was born as the son of one of them. His real name in German was Nicolaus Koppernigk. The ending gk leads to a Pommeranian name mostly. Later Copernicus studied in Italy and returned home to Frauenburg/ East Prussia, where he had his observatory in the tower of a cathedral.
I have to say that his origin is disputed among Germans and Polish, since his father, a copper merchant was from Cracow. Nevertheless his mother was German and he was born in a town of mainly Germans. He also joined the German students organisation when studying medicine, mathemetics and law (he became a doctor of law) as a native German speaker. Also he returned to Prussia, which was a Polish fief of the Marquis of Brandenburg, until the Great Elector could get rid of it and gain the independence. All in all was Copernicus a German although he might have Polish ancestors.

Adler

 

[Boleslav]

and Tycho Brahe was Danish, but it was the Habsburgs ruling from Bohemia who allowed these geniuses to florish in Prague.

 

[REDY]

Gregor Mendel was Austrian,wasnt he? I dont know where he was born,but his nationality was Austrian. But he lives in Brno(Brün if you want). This list is from "Historische Industrielle und Enfinders in Tschechien" by German Encyklopedia, so I choose Scientists which foreigners may know. Jan Komensky developed Schoolar system, also Purkyne may be there.