"Defensive pack"/Accidental war ?

[DaveH]

Browsing through the threads I couldn't find anything like this, so here it goes:

In a custom game, where Permanent Alliances was enabled, I as America had a Defensive Pack with Catherine of Russia. Germany and Arabia I believe had a Permanent Alliance, as their smaller individual scores were listed ahead of my larger score, and negotiations with either always listed them both together. However, there was no indicator in the Foreign Advisor screen that they had one. (Shouldn't there be one?).

At the conclusion of a turn, a message appeared that my Defensive Pack with Russia was ended immediately followed by another message that I had declared war on Germany, although I did not. Now I know that a Defensive Pack is cancelled upon an unprovoked declaration of war, but I did not explicity make one on Germany.

The Foreign Advisor screen no longer shows the blue line that was the Defensive pack between Russia and America, and is no longer listed in the "Review Ongoing Deals" screen, however bringing the mouse over Catherine's portrait the attitude list still shows a positive value for having a defensive pack.

In the following turn, a message appeared that Germany had declared war on Russia. So now Germany and Arabia were at war with America and Russia.

I'm thinking that it was perhaps the German declaration of war against Russia that, because of its Defensive Pack with America, triggered America's declaration of war against Germany, but because of some bug in the event queue it somehow placed America's declaration ahead of Germany's, which caused the Defensive pack between Russia and America to be canceled. Just a guess.

I'm uploading the saved game (I hope) as "Dave AD-2022P.Civ4SavedGame"

Review the screens; everyone is at peace. There is a defensive pack between Russia and America, and an (apparent) alliance between Germany and Arabia.

End the turn. The "Defensive Pack is cancelled" followed by America's "You have declared war on Germany" messages. Rolling over Catherine's portrait still shows a positive attitude because of the defensive pack, however.

During the next turn, "Germany declares war on Russia" message appears.

The question that it comes down to, is what triggered this sequence of events?

 

[Billy Rubin]

Seems to be something similar to my current game - I had defensive pacts with britain and germany, when I suddenly declared war on japan (which I did not), but my defensive pacts were cancelled due to that event. Later, the message appeared that Tokugawa declared war on england.
To find out what was going on, I checked the events table and as it seems, first tokugawa declared war on england, I auto-declared war on him due to my pacts which were then cancelled both.

seems to be a bit weird and definetely needs to be fixed.

 

[ImperialHR]

I encountered same bug.
I was playing normal game (not custom) and had Defencive Pact with Americans for long time... then all of the sudden it saied "You have declared war on Alexander!".... my deal to Americans were cancelled.

On the next tern, it said:
Alexander has declared war on Roosevelt!
Alexander has declared war on Isabel!
Catherine has declared war on Alexander!
etc....

this bug is so annoying!!@#234

 

[ucel]

It's simple. You had DP with Roosvelt. Greece started the war with them, DP have been activated, you started war with Alex. Since YOU started the war, all your DP were canceled. Clear?

 

[Mercade]

It's simple. You had DP with Roosvelt. Greece started the war with them, DP have been activated, you started war with Alex. Since YOU started the war, all your DP were canceled. Clear?

Sorry, Ucel, but I don't agree. A+B have a pact and C+D have a pact. Then no attack from either C or D on the union A+B should cause that union of A+B to break up, regardless of the order in which the attacks are processed by the game.

 

[jascob]

I had the same thing happen to me. I was plaing China with a defensive pact with Spain. At the end of a turn I recevied a message that I had declared war on Russia, which I had not done. I received a message that my defensive pact with Spain was canceled.

Subsequently, I received a message that Russia had attacked Spain.

Why would my DP with Spain be canceled? I guess it is not too important if my relationship with Spain suffers no adverse consequences, but it seems that the DP should remain in effect. What happens if another country attacks Spain? Am I off the hook? This is annoying.