deputy governors (urgent!)

[disorganizer]

i believe we ratified somewhere that we would allow deputy governors to be defined by the runner-op of the governor elections...

and this time, a major bug seems to have happened:

COS
G) Elections
   9) Election polls 
      a) The candidate with the highest votes wins the elected position. 
	 1) For governorship, departmental, and Presidential elections,
	    the candidate with the second highest votes wins the Deputy
	    position. 
	    
	    
COL
H) Appointed Positions
   4) Deputy Governor 
      1)Appointed by Provincial Governor 
      2)Confirmed by a poll of the citizenry. Simple majority required.

our COS reflects the new implementation, but our COL, which overrides the COS in case of conflicts, definitely states the old system.

and this will be a problem we should urgently solve:
at the moment, deputy governors can only be defined by appointing them and running them through a acceptance poll.

now up for discussion

please if someone has time, review if the poll deciding to implement the deputy governors was passed according to COS standards or according to COL-change standards.
because if it passed according to the COS standards only (cabinet vote i think), we will have to repoll it :-(

 

[disorganizer]

some more info on my initial post:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32954

we even explicitly implemented that into the COL!
so imho we HAVE to repoll the COL change :-(

 

[Shaitan]

Doh!

There is no problem. My apologies to disorganizer, I must have had a brain fart this morning. Appointees are for vacant positions. If the Deputy position is vacant then the Leader appoints the new deputy. That's the same for all positions with a deputy.

 

[Chieftess]

The COL overrides the COS? I never knew that...

But, it seems to me like the COS is saying that in the event the governor needs a deputy (i.e., the current deputy quits, is impeached, or there's no runner up), then they can appoint one.

 

[disorganizer]

@shaitan:
nope. it generally describes ALL appointed positions. not only for the case of absence and promotion. this definitely IS a flaw, as other truly appointed positions also are mentioned there.

Like:

Designated Chat Representative
* Appointed by Leader.
* Confirmed by a poll of the citizenry. Simple majority required.

i believe we just implied there its only in the case of no follower up, but if you read it its does not say so. it definitely defines the positon of deputy governor along with chat-reps.

@chieftess:
it did that for all time. see constitution:
cons oveerrides law overrides standards.
thats the reason why different poll levels apply to each of the books. and thats the reason why there are 3 of them
as to shaitan (Except you swapped COL and COS in your post), it does NOT specify this anywhere. And the chat-reps are also mentioned earlier in the same paragraph... nothing about absenteeism around that (this is in fact handled in the COS and not the COL).

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

Originally posted by disorganizer

COS
G) Elections
   9) Election polls 
      a) The candidate with the highest votes wins the elected position. 
	 1) For governorship, departmental, and Presidential elections,
	    the candidate with the second highest votes wins the Deputy
	    position. 
	    
	    
COL
H) Appointed Positions
   4) Deputy Governor 
      1)Appointed by Provincial Governor 
      2)Confirmed by a poll of the citizenry. Simple majority required.

dis, my copy of the three books, taken from http://www.civfanatics.net/~demogame/constitution_of_phoenatica.htm disagrees with your Section H. The official book says:

H. Appointed Positions
1. Leaders in Executive, Judiciary and Provincial Government (office vacant mid-term or not filled during elections)

4. Acting Governor
a. Appointed by Provincial Governor
b. Confirmed by a poll of the citizenry. Simple majority required.

Note my emphasis in bold. The laws refer to acting governors in the case of office vacant mid-term.

If I remember right, all of this was fixed back when we installed deputy governors.

 

[Shaitan]

Bill, you're looking at the wrong edition. We're living in Fanatika now, not Phoenatica.

 

[Shaitan]

@disorganizer - You're reading way too much into this. An appointment is made when there is a vacant position. Elections are held monthly, mandated by the Constitution and regulated by the COS. Remember article G of the Constitution: All offices will be filled via election with terms lasting one calendar month. That definitely trumps out the Code of Laws.

The appointment section of the Code of Laws is applicable only when an appointment is necessary. The election section of the Code of Standards is applicable for elections.

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

Doh!

Let me update my book mark.

I agree with what Shaitan is saying though, the context of those two areas are really not directly related.

 

[disorganizer]

But this is not what it says, shaitan. Explain to me why chat-representatives are in the same article then! According to your explanation, they should be somewhere else and that article should only handle absenteeism.

 

[Shaitan]

Absenteeism has nothing to do with it. Vacant positions are what appointments deal with. If it's a vacant chat rep, look at the chat rep part. If it's a vacant deputy, look at the appropriate deputy part. If it's a vacant leader, look at the leader part.

 

[disorganizer]

but thats stated nowhere there, thats the problem...

 

[Shaitan]

It's acknowledged by definition and inclusion. The Constitution declares that the offices will be filled each month via election. The procedure for those elections is in the Code of Standards. When an office is vacated mid term the Constitution declaration does not apply, therefore the Appointment section of the Code of Laws is used.

 

[disorganizer]

for the leaders, this is explicitly stated in the COL though!
not for deputy governors.

 

[Shaitan]

It is specifically stated for Governors in the same rule where it is stated for the other Leaders.

Code of Laws
H. Appointed Positions 
   1. Leaders in Executive, Judiciary and [b]Provincial Government [/b]
      (office vacant mid-term or not filled during elections) 
      a. Deputy is promoted to Leader. If there is no Deputy then: 
         * Appointed by President. 
         * Leader is confirmed by a Confirmation Council Vote. 
           Simple majority required.