Did You Say Mac?

Sodfather

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Someone please explain this Mac thing to me. Don't get ahead of yourselves with a huge ass argument, just answer this: why would I buy a Mac if it creates a lot of compatibility issues? I mean, waiting more time for games released for Macs, if at all, would be a huge pain in the ass. Also, would the same go for regular utility programs - would they have to be specifically engineered for Macs also? If so , I defnitely don't see any reasoning in buying a Mac. :(
 
The idea behind Macintosh is that everything is built on the basis of stability. The standard Mac package includes Appleworks 6 (think Microsoft Office for students), the iLife suite, and all the spiffyness of the Unix-based Mac OS X.

If you're big on digital media, the iLife suite is incredible. It's simply not possible to put something together that all integrates so smoothly and comes out of the box on a PC. iMovie really is a brilliant application--I used it to make a mini-film of my marching band's performance last Saturday. I've never been able to do something like that when I used my PC. Spend 2 hours downloading drivers so that the camcorders' video can be uploaded onto it, and then having to fumble around with the blasted application because it's so poorly made. I didn't have any experience with iMovie before this, and after an hour and a half (lots of rendering time), I had my video in the e-mail in to my Grandpa in FL.

I love my iTunes. I have my entire music collection on my Mac, and you can buy music instantly (downloads take 30 seconds on my cable modem) from the iTunes Music Store. However, iTunes will be out for the PC in mid-October, so it isn't really a consideration for buying a Mac. It's perfectly possible that iTunes will be just as good for PC as it is for Mac, but it won't be built so seamlessly into the architecture of the computer, so it's hard to say.

iPhoto keeps all your digital photos together in one place. Order albums--real hardcover books--from your desktop, order prints, and everything you need for sharing your memories with your buds around the country.

Sherlock, Address Book, and iCal are all built in as well, which I think would be a lot more of an advantage if you were using a laptop. However, I don't lug my 50 lbs eMac around with me, so I don't use them very thoroughly. Find any information over the internet like flights, phone numbers, stock quotes, and any other business needs instantly. Address book is your electronic rolodex, and iCal is your digital planner. All are simple to use and in the time I've spent fiddling around with them I've realized just how useful they could be for a travelling Mac user.

Now, about games. I don't play many games on my Mac, because when I made the switch, I lost the ability to use my enormous game collection. I don't miss it. My computer helps me be more productive in my life instead of being a distraction from it. And even so, Blizzard does simultaneous Mac-PC releases, and they're more or less the premeire PC game makers, so you're not at a loss when it comes to that. [EDIT: I didn't abolish games permanently :). I have StarCraft: Brood War, Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne, The Sims, Mah Jong, and Civilization III installed on my Mac.]

Macs cost more out-of-the-box, but you get more out of the box. Built-in 56k modem, Appleworks suite, ethernet port, firewire & USB 2.0, iLife suite, and OS X come standard on all Macs. There are some processor speed issues on low-end, but not only do Macs come with more out of the box, but hold their value better. A $799 iMac DV+ bought in the summer of 2000 is still worth between $400-$600 depending on what you've put in it.

I use my Mac on a home network with 2 PCs. No compatability issues, very "plug-n-play." Appleworks reads and writes Microsoft Office, but if you really need it, there's a $149 version of Office: Mac avaliable.

I made the switch, and I'll never look back :).
 
You know what? If you don't see any reason for buying a mac then don't buy it... As simple as that.
I need a car, I buy it. I don't see any reason to get one? I don't buy a car. So if people get a mac, it's because it's a platform for working and there are apps that only exist for MacOS, as Toasty said. Period.
 
Originally posted by GenghisK
You know what? If you don't see any reason for buying a mac then don't buy it... As simple as that.
Yeah, but I see others buying them and I wonder why they buy them; it makes me think, "Am I missing out on something?"

But I believe the answer is no based on Toasty's elaborate reply. All of the perks of the Mac seem to be newbie-ish things - I already know what drivers I need, what they do, and how to get them; I know where all of my music and pictures are stored without my computer telling me; I can use third-party software to develop my digital-whatevers, from sites to graphics. So if that's what the Mac is about, it's certainly not for me. Thanks for explaining, Toasty.

P.S. Instead of blowing a fat wad of cash on a Mac for digital media purposes, I have one word for you - Macromedia. As for videos I'm sure you could find a better product. ;)
 
Macromedia products can be used on a Mac, and photoshop and most adobe product can be used on a mac too... The app part, apart from games, is completely false. There may not be as much program to do task X on a mac, but that doesn't make the program that exists worse than their windows counterpart.

As for your user-friendlyness, frankly that's what windows is all about. Windows XP doesn't want you to know that something exists out of "my docs". And the next version will be even worse...

Finally the PPC achitecture is great... That alone would be a reason to buy a mac, if you need the processing power it can deliver that is, something Digital media workers need.

If I had the money, I'd get a Mac, that's for sure :yeah:
 
Originally posted by GenghisK
Should we tell him that Photoshop was first a only Mac app? ;)
Should I tell you that I knew that already?

My point went over your heads entirely - what I meant was, if you're buying Macs because of the media software that comes bundled with it, you're better off buying a PC and using Photoshop instead.

No one has made a valid point of why I should be using a Mac, yet I get the feeling that you guys support Macs. So what, NASA uses it, am I NASA? Am I dealing with how many kg/mol of the polyatomic ion ammonium a jet engine will release, or am I calculating the escape velocity of a 5 ton rocket?

No, so I don't see a practical reason why I should have a Macintosh. ;)
 
Well Sodfather, at last you show up why you made this thread. Another Mac vs PC blabla thread. Admit it.
The point of this thread was originally not bad. You said first you wondered why some people buy a mac, then Toasty explained to you some reasons why other got that platform. That could be interesting.
Now you said you see no point why you should buy a Mac and also changed your the point of the thread, saying nobody gave you valid arguments to switch to a mac. Remember, toasty didn't try to convince you to do so. And it becomes obvious it's you who are just trying to force people to buy PC. Maybe you are new to this forum but just know that Mac Ps threads do exist and there are a lot of them. Honestly nobody will give a damn anymore to that kind of thread. We don't care at all. People do what they want. Mac or Pc, they already know a lot and have already chosen.

Nobody told you you had to buy a mac. And nobody is trying to convince you to get one. So just let people choose what they want unless they ask for advises. Period. This thread has no more reason to exist. Fortunately this world still has a bit of freedom of choice. No need to brainwash people.
Once again next time, if you ask something, just be direct, instead of being that "hypocritical" (ok it's not the appropriate word but well it's almos suited for here)

PS:
No one has made a valid point of why I should be using a Mac, yet I get the feeling that you guys support Macs
Once again we will NEVER (read that word?) ever try to tell you to use a PC nor a Mac. Never. All the posters here absolutely don't care about what you will be using. Plus they are PC users but that's not a reason for them to criticize the Mac. That's what I call tolerance and open minded.
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Edit: mmm maybe you would think I was a bit aggressive. I read my post again and it might look so. Just know that it's not, I've always been quite direct and speaking like that, people who know me would agree. So no worry :)
 
Aggressive, kind of. Wrong, yes.

The very first post, mine, only concerns me:

  • "why would I buy a Mac if it creates a lot of compatibility issues?"
  • "If so , I defnitely don't see any reasoning in buying a Mac. :("

All I see is I, I, I - I don't know where the hell you came up with that switch of viewpoint, it remained consistent except for, "I see others buying Macs" which in itself is not enough to make anyone think that the viewpoint changed.

P.S. It's still very odd that you all are defending Macs (when I never really attacked them, just had some reasonable Q's) for no reason.
 
Mac or Pc...

One reason that I've decided against Mac , other than the software compatabilty issues, is the ability to easilly build upgrade and modify my own computer.

Macs seem to be less easilly modifiable.

...that said, macs do have a lot going for them, but any benefits aren't enough to sway me from the PC.

When it comes to case design, Macs tend to be very cool looking machines, so visually that may be a benefit for some. Except of course for people that are into modding the looks of their PCs
 
It's still very odd you think we are all defending mac Sod... Period. I can say that too...
But back once and for all to your thread:
"why would I buy a Mac if it creates a lot of compatibility issues?"
"If so , I defnitely don't see any reasoning in buying a Mac."

"Why should I smoke if it creates lot of health troubles?" You can always ask that to smokers. :D Okok j/k it was a bad example.

Then: we are very pleased you don't buy a mac. We are pleased the sun is still shining. We are pleased the birds are singing. Some people get a mac because there are apps and software that only exist on Mac. Same thing for people who buy a specialized workstation.

As I said we have dropped that kind of debate eons ago, since there's nothing new to add. Mad/PC? Depens on people taste first. Period.

And it'll be the same if you started a "why should i buy a silicon graphics?" or "why should i buy a sun workstation" etc... thread. The point I'm making is that if you want a debate, you should go to special hardware tech forum, like anandtech forum. This is quite a help forum and an extension to civfanatics forum. Not a ultra specialised forum for hardware talkers.
 
GK is right, nonsense seriously...

Personally, I've used a Mac once or twice. I'm far from defending them, actually, I'd be better praising IBM for creating the PPC970. I'm a linux guy (therefore, hardware is far from being my concern, since it can be compiled on basicly anything), so no, I'm not defending Mac, but an architecture that is valid, poweful, and affordable (and frankly, way better than cheap x86s).

And I said I'd like to have a Mac, but given the choice and the money, I'd go for a SPARC or a Dual AMD opteron system. But that doesn't make Apple products any worse, nor the platform itself.
 
Originally posted by Sodfather

Should I tell you that I knew that already?

My point went over your heads entirely - what I meant was, if you're buying Macs because of the media software that comes bundled with it, you're better off buying a PC and using Photoshop instead.

No one has made a valid point of why I should be using a Mac, yet I get the feeling that you guys support Macs. So what, NASA uses it, am I NASA? Am I dealing with how many kg/mol of the polyatomic ion ammonium a jet engine will release, or am I calculating the escape velocity of a 5 ton rocket?

No, so I don't see a practical reason why I should have a Macintosh. ;)

Those who aren't familiar with PC lingo, aren't familiar with PC drivers, and don't want to spend the dozens of hours that are involved in becoming proficient in it, should probably consider getting a Mac. I got mine and have had a very enjoyable time with it. But if you've already invested the hours, then by all means, stick to PC--they are cheaper and do have more games on them :).

Originally posted by Centrifuge
Mac or Pc...

One reason that I've decided against Mac , other than the software compatabilty issues, is the ability to easilly build upgrade and modify my own computer.

Macs seem to be less easilly modifiable.

...that said, macs do have a lot going for them, but any benefits aren't enough to sway me from the PC.

When it comes to case design, Macs tend to be very cool looking machines, so visually that may be a benefit for some. Except of course for people that are into modding the looks of their PCs

All of the Macintosh all-in-ones are pretty limited in their upgradability (i.e., RAM, HD, and optical drive are all you have), but a PowerMac's only non-upgradable piece is the motherboard.
 
Ah, forget about it, you guys have to make a big nerd argument out of everything. :( I'm not one of those losers who starts ATI vs. NVIDIA threads, and I'm certainly not trying to do that with Macs since I never even really brought up PC's at all. Sorry about sending you guys the wong message. :)
 
GK has it more or less right.If you have to ask why a MAC,then you don't need/want one.

The world would be a better place if MAC OS was dominate..but it ain't :(
 
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