Top downgrades that fuel C7 reception and possible fixes?

[Lazy sweeper]

Was there this much backslash thread was closed, no idea why. I read about three pages about anti-woke bots and it was pretty boring.
Anyway. Original OP KayAU main three arguments for not buying the game were pretty simple in nature, the thread evolved in to chaos
apparently. Let's try to change the formula a bit.

1: I dont give a xxx about any game being woke, or straight pornographic, with green blood or severed heads being used as cannon fodder. I hate vampires but everyone has its personal bias I guess..
PEGI 12 games are PEGI 12 games. I am not easy going towards everything but I have a pretty high tolerance
threshold. However, I do feel pain like everyone else. I learned the best way to feel pain is to avoid what causes the pain. Very easy rule. Don't buy a PEGI 12 game if you expect an Adult game. Now mix reviews of 12 y.o with reviews of 40 y.o. fans and 50% mixed review is a pretty good accomplishment in my book, for a game that is neither targeted at one.

2: I love to play old games like Sim City, or new Transport Fever 2 because I like those kind of micromanaging games. They are PC games first and foremost. Very rational, slow, usually with turns implying your games can last for even months or years... My last console I bought I had 19 y.o. a PS2 I sold three months after bc I had to work and didn't have a stable home at the time. My first PC laptop came later that year and with that Civ III.
PS2 games were nice but my Amiga 500 collection was huge, it had office work programs. It was a real computer. The difference between us and console gamers os that we had to learn DOS, C++, and other stuff. We could mod everything we wanted of or games. Civ 7 is barely a PC game anymore. KayAU said C6 devs moved to payed DLC work before fixing core issues of the game. Like Ai not using Airplanes. Even on my PC Airplanes hoovering on cluttered maps could take 2 minutes just for preparing the animation, but in C5 faster Air animation fixed that. There was no Switch Civ V version back then. Devs did not have to split resources or do decision making with multiplatform in mind. The Switch IS a CONSOLE.
C6 and C7 are made with console in mind. Thus. They are NOT PC games. Not like they used to be.

This far more than enough for me to ditch C7. I dont need to be angry at woke stuff I could not care less... or bots review...
I don't care about civ switching or UI. Compared to Civ III the UI is shiny. Some broken Hyperlinks but it has customizable hotkeys. That's nice.
Anyway that is my point and what is keeping me away. I could never play Civ III on an Ipad. Never.
It's like asking me to flush away my cat and get a Great Dane because real men has real dogs. Go on you and your Great Dane.
Ill be fine with my cats, tortoise, and small strawberry field in my backyard without a Dog that can eat my cat alive in one bite.

3: C7 feels too big in scope. It now has got all the attention a big scope game deserve. Devs will have to learn to have to deal with it, sooner or later. C6 was a huge success bc it worked on all consoles pretty well. That came with a price, to upset Civ purists.
Now it seems C7 manages to anger both audiences equally...

The OLD PC games formula was to improve the next game with new feat. NOT to ditch mechanics, base feat, for new ones.
The old formula was to ADD MORE and MORE content with each new release.
C5 1/3 change, C6 2/3 change, C7 3/3 change. Now it's a completely new game.
Next should be called Civilization ZERO as the cycle has completed.

So my TOP downgrade is not a downgrade afterall... it is a... full circle...?
Like Indiana Jones full RT circle that is a PS5 game ported to PC? I hope not.

One fix other than focusing on separate platforms with dedicated ports is to

Give every Civilization a proper continuity for all ages.
USA would call themselves something like Roman Americans, German Americans, Irish American, etc in Ancient age.
Then Roman, Germany, Dutch, Spanish colonizer in explo Age, or even Iroqouis, Sioux... or Pre-indipendence USA...
and then USA...

Proto Germanic tribes - Germanic burgerlands - Prussia/Germany

Continuity.

 

[phantom22]

"Now mix reviews of 12 y.o with reviews of 40 y.o. fans and 50% mixed review is a pretty good accomplishment in my book, for a game that is neither targeted at one."

You already listed most of what's bad. But this right here is the main one to me. Who exactly is this game targeted towards? Seems like no one.

 

[Mr Jon of Cheam]

"Now mix reviews of 12 y.o with reviews of 40 y.o. fans and 50% mixed review is a pretty good accomplishment in my book, for a game that is neither targeted at one."

You already listed most of what's bad. But this right here is the main one to me. Who exactly is this game targeted towards? Seems like no one.

People who like interesting 4x games?

 

[Lazy sweeper]

As a child, I was curious at knowing who Ptolomy or Herodotus was, reading the 'Hystory book' with the best accompishment of the era... written on Papyrus... and the in New York Times in modern Era... this was good for both... but it was clearly targeted to a mildly more mature audience. Younger kids had to learn quite a bit of context to try to understand what was going on...

 

[Lazy sweeper]

People who like interesting 4x games?

No, you are completely missing the point. Like a few lightyears missing.
Civ was not just a 4x. It was like opening an Encyclopedia and a History book, in a time where there was no Internet,
and even fewer Encyclopedias than public libraries...

 

[fantsu]

This game should've been made for PC or consoles in mind. Now its neither?

 

[Siptah]

I could never play Civ III on an Ipad. Never.

Your loss. Hardware limitations for VI and VII (which isn't there yet) aside, I consider the iPad to be the best possible device to play all the other civ games.
I gained a lot of experience with PCs when I was younger, starting in the DOS times. But I haven't owned a PC in 19 years now, and the moments I missed having one were very few. I personally consider (gaming) PCs to be vastly overrated compared to other solutions, and view people that defend that system or view it as supreme a bit like people that defend that every person in a household needs their own car: stuck in concepts of the past.
(of course there can be reasons for the latter under some circumstances).

 

[Lazy sweeper]

Your loss. Hardware limitations for VI and VII (which isn't there yet) aside, I consider the iPad to be the best possible device to play all the other civ games.
I gained a lot of experience with PCs when I was younger, starting in the DOS times. But I haven't owned a PC in 19 years now, and the moments I missed having one were very few. I personally consider (gaming) PCs to be vastly overrated compared to other solutions, and view people that defend that system or view it as supreme a bit like people that defend that every person in a household needs their own car: stuck in concepts of the past.
(of course there can be reasons for the latter under some circumstances).

My bad, but I can't even read my own Kindle App on my Ipad mini2 bc it is obsolete.
I loved playing Civ on SuperNintendo and I can still do it in Emulators.
Ipad is not a PC. I didn't mean it was a bad experience playing civ V touch on an Ipad Pro or something,
but it is is not a PC and never will. It is in my view worst than a console, which at retrocompatibility are pretty
bad at themselves. Civ III touch doesn't exist on Ipad as far as I know, and try to move a stack of 40 units with
touch.... You really hate yourself if you think it would be a good experience...

the latter of your post are more speculations and can not be taken seriously... I NEED win XP32 bit in working conditions if I want
to be able to access some of my Hardware. I NEED my Ibook with Mac Lion IF I want to be able to access my own Kindle library.
Besides these are out of Topic.. I wasnt defending a system just for the sake of it. It was a metaphor for highlightning that a game like Civ III on Ipad would have never worked, for obvious reasons... at least to me...

Sometime special touch layers can do marvels and everything is possible. I don't deny that.
I envy young bloods that can type like a machine on their small screen phones I cant even read one word with
a magnifying lense.... It's just... not for me... I never condemned them for smoking me in writing skills...

Superior race... pffffff.... you made me almost laugh...

 

[Lazy sweeper]

This game should've been made for PC or consoles in mind. Now its neither?

It's more casual targeted. So it now has to deal with backslash from both casual gamers and more historical experience- full immersion- older target audience, I think it is irrelevant PC or console, console can make up with more refined UI..
touchscreen layers modes are also avail to Microsoft Surface owners... on screen keyboard could be added in game and indeed this was the case in many older ports of Civ on consoles... even Nintendo DS had small onscreen keyboard... Sim City UI for DS was a masterpiece of miniaturization... No what I meant is the console owners tend to prefer more arcade games, more casual.
I dont know I'm getting confused...

I suspected Devs got rid of Airplanes bc it would brick consoles like the Switch, and this affected all ports unnecessarily.
This merging has gone forward. It is both targeted but it's the Age of target audience that can not be merged so easily.

 

[Siptah]

the latter of your post are more speculations and can not be taken seriously...

I mean, I clearly stated that those are my opinions, which are very much a product of the bubble in which I live in which and not absolute facts.

I NEED win XP32 bit in working conditions if I want to be able to access some of my Hardware. I NEED my Ibook with Mac Lion IF I want to be able to access my own Kindle library.

And this just corroborates my impression: it sounds stuck in the past to me. I personally know how this is - I also kept some old hardware that I needed for exotic hardware devices from the 80s that I required for work well into the 2000s (and the manufacturer didn't release new hardware for ~20 years back then). But it's not a healthy solution for anyone, and keeping around old hardware to use things that you need is not the same as buying a new computer every few years for gaming.

Sometime special touch layers can do marvels and everything is possible. I don't deny that.
I envy young bloods that can type like a machine on their small screen phones I cant even read one word with
a magnifying lense.... It's just... not for me... I never condemned them for smoking me in writing skills...

I'm sorry to hear that you have problems reading and typing on smaller devices. I really am!

Superior race... pffffff.... you made me almost laugh...

Where did I say or imply that?

It's more casual targeted. So it now has to deal with backslash from both casual gamers and more historical experience- full immersion- older target audience, I think it is irrelevant PC or console, console can make up with more refined UI..

It's fine to split the audience into younger and older, that's a useful demographic. I heavily disagree that one of them is more casual and one is more into historical experience (in a civ game? wrong game outside of scenarios!) - what kind of split is this anyway? If I had to do a split like that, I would say that casuals are the ones that look more for historical experience, while the regular (i.e., weekly recurring) players are more into mechanics. Immersion isn't much of a diverging factor for the implied different target audiences as well, and it certainly isn't connected to "historical experience." And I'm not sure what "full immersion" is supposed to mean in contradiction to regular immersion. When I play civ I'm immersed in playing a game, regardless of platform I use or which of the games I play, and if I'm having a good game, I'm forgetting time and a bit of the world around me. But that's just regular immersion in doing something. It's not specific to civ nor whether it's a game that I play regularly or not. And it has zero to do with history or a believable world - it can happen in chess as much as in playing a board game like Ark Nova, a computer game like civ VII, or a nonsense phone game like Bloons TD.

I suspected Devs got rid of Airplanes bc it would brick consoles like the Switch, and this affected all ports unnecessarily.

But they didn't get rid of airplanes.

 

[Mr Jon of Cheam]

No, you are completely missing the point. Like a few lightyears missing.
Civ was not just a 4x. It was like opening an Encyclopedia and a History book, in a time where there was no Internet,
and even fewer Encyclopedias than public libraries...

Well, I wasn't responding to you, and I'll be honest, it's largely because I can't decipher your point, at all. I'm sure it's an interesting one but it's very hard to follow.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

Moderator Action: Thread locked for review --NZ

 

[Noble Zarkon]

Was there this much backslash thread was closed, no idea why. I read about three pages about anti-woke bots and it was pretty boring.

It wasn't a good thread, there were no new points being made so we closed it and we don't need a repeat - thanks!