Different capital hypothesis

[Louis XXIV]

Yeah maybe we'll finally get Italy! I was against Italy in Civ 5 because from the general rule of Capitals they had back them, it would be unthinkable for Italy not to have Rome as its capital. With Civ 6's new capital rules, we can finally have an acceptable Italy, with Dandolo ruling from Venice, some Medici ruling from Florence or Matilda of Canossa ruling from Canossa, and as long as there's more than one of those, it would make perfect sense!

I don't know if I want Italy (and certainly don't want that many leaders), but associating the capital with the leader avoids some awkwardness. Lorenzo could be the leader and Florence the capital this way (Florence always could be the capital because it was the capital when the Pope controlled Rome, but it would feel incomplete).

 

[Txomin]

I like this theory. They could possibly use Nezahualcoyotl with Texcoco as his capital for a second Aztec leader.
I doubt they'll give the Aztecs a second leader but I'd really like to see one.

 

[VermelhoRed]

There's one thing that sticks in my craw with this whole theory. I know it may be a bit obvious given my avatar, and I don't want to come off too much as a fanboy, but I don't know how it works with Napoleon. Big personality, prominence in history, iconic status in the Civ series... he checks all the boxes for inclusion, but I don't know if you could include him with any capital but Paris. Is there any alternative?

Sorry, but I think we'll be without him this generation . I mean if they wanted to do him, they'd have Louis XIV with Versailles as his capital. Unless, like someone said, you could change Catherine's capital to some other city in a way that made sense, I don't know much about her to have an opinion in this matter.

Incidentally, it would be interesting to see Kublai Khan as a leader of China ruling from Karakorum...

You mean from Beijing, known as Dadu to the Mongols? I think, since there are so few candidates for Mongol leaders, they'd be more likely to have him lead Mongolia from Dadu, with Genghis from Karakorum. Was Karakorum even built yet during Genghis' time? I don't remember.

Yeah I'm with Atlas627 on this one. However Karakorum was built only by Ogedai, actually, and I hope now is his time to shine!

I don't know if I want Italy (and certainly don't want that many leaders), but associating the capital with the leader avoids some awkwardness. Lorenzo could be the leader and Florence the capital this way (Florence always could be the capital because it was the capital when the Pope controlled Rome, but it would feel incomplete).

Yeah but just Lorenzo would be awkward still, imo. They need one more leader to show that each doesn't represent the whole civ.

 

[Atlas627]

Yeah I'm with Atlas627 on this one. However Karakorum was built only by Ogedai, actually, and I hope now is his time to shine!

I hope to see Ogedei as well.

 

[Foulweather]

I would hope there would be a way to segregate the names of Greek cities if you're playing a game with both Pericles and Gorgo, such that only the names of Delian League cities are available to Pericles, and Peloponnesian League cities to Gorgo.

 

[Atlas627]

I would hope there would be a way to segregate the names of Greek cities if you're playing a game with both Pericles and Gorgo, such that only the names of Delian League cities are available to Pericles, and Peloponnesian League cities to Gorgo.

Well I guess they could add that as an option. They shouldn't do it by default because, again, that gives a very big hint that the other is in the game.

 

[LAnkou]

Sorry, but I think we'll be without him this generation . I mean if they wanted to do him, they'd have Louis XIV with Versailles as his capital. Unless, like someone said, you could change Catherine's capital to some other city in a way that made sense, I don't know much about her to have an opinion in this matter

Well, there is several castles near Tours where she had some great influence and she spend a lot of Time (Chenonceau, Chaumont, Blois,...) so Tours would be a great choice for her

 

[Menzies]

Just to add to this discussion, it appears from the game files that civs have city lists independent of the leaders. For example, the top listed city for Germany is Berlin, Frederick's capital of Aachen is listed 4th, while Mecca is listed as first for Arabia, with Cairo second.

The error handling for multiples of the same City State spawning is pretty funny too. Too many Amsterdam's? Don't worry, here's 'Amsterdam 1', 'Amsterdam 2' and 'Amsterdam 3'!

If the Barbarians spawn with a city somehow, it appears they get something called 'Grokville 1'.

Whilst already known as well, it is confirmed that leaders are each given a specific capital.

 

[ales_]

Brussels is the only CS that has 5 different city names.

 

[Zharques]

Sorry, but I think we'll be without him this generation . I mean if they wanted to do him, they'd have Louis XIV with Versailles as his capital. Unless, like someone said, you could change Catherine's capital to some other city in a way that made sense, I don't know much about her to have an opinion in this matter.

There could always be more than two leaders...

 

[Menzies]

Brussels is the only CS that has 5 different city names.

I'm unsure of what you're trying to say here.

 

[ales_]

Every CS has a city list. They're identical for every CS except for Brussels.

 

[Menzies]

Every CS has a city list. They're identical for every CS except for Brussels.

They are all just [city state name]_# (# from 1 to 5). Brussels is no different.

 

[ales_]

I mean the names themselves, not the XML tags.

 

[Menzies]

I mean the names themselves, not the XML tags.

Can you post the code where you're seeing the different names?

 

[wildlumberjack]

so I listed out first three cities in every civilization from CityNames_Text.xml expecting the future leaders having some of them as capitals. obviously, it's barely true but...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_ljMsVWOOquMsAFYlqjFi-DO7prLcyK-p6DiX1ULDB4/

 

[Menzies]

so I listed out first three cities in every civilization from CityNames_Text.xml expecting the future leaders having some of them as capitals. obviously, it's barely true but...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_ljMsVWOOquMsAFYlqjFi-DO7prLcyK-p6DiX1ULDB4/

First city listed for Germany was Berlin, not Aachen.

 

[j51]

Why can't more than one leader use the same capital as long as they're not in the same game? In cases where there is a second leader in the same game, they could just use random city as their capital. I doubt they'd limit their leader choices based on who ruled from different cities.

 

[VermelhoRed]

Why can't more than one leader use the same capital as long as they're not in the same game? In cases where there is a second leader in the same game, they could just use random city as their capital. I doubt they'd limit their leader choices based on who ruled from different cities.

They can find interesting leaders from different capitals, no need to duct-tape that hard to fit a leader.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

They can find interesting leaders from different capitals, no need to duct-tape that hard to fit a leader.

Not always, for some civs it would be difficult./require some extreme historical license (have LBJ capital be Houston)