Different kinds of Great Leaders

[Cashie]

Since the Conquests expansion added Scientific Leaders, to complement Military Leaders, perhaps it could be worthwhile to add in a couple of other kinds of great leaders into the game.

Religious leaders would essentially increase religious influence or a civilisation. I'd imagine these would be named after various influential figures in the history of each Civilisation:
eg. Muhammed (Arabia), Henry VIII (England), Gautama Buddha, Krishna (India), Joseph Smith (America), Marcus Aurelius, Constantine (Rome), Heraclius, Justinian (Byzantines), Joan of Arc (France), Martin Luther (Germany); you get the idea

Cultural Leaders a similar idea, but would increase cultural output/influence, or a culture-specific Golden Age. Again it would be well acknowledged authors, poets, musicians...
William Shakespeare, Anthony Marlowe (England); Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Leo Tolstoy (Russia); Ludvig van Beethoven (Germany); Cicero, Vergil (Rome); Homer, Hesiod, Sophokles, Aesop, etc (Greece); Van Halen, Jerry Bruckheimer (I hope not-USA); Salman Rushdie (? India); Jackie Chan (China), Noel & Liam Gallagher (England) OK I'm just being silly now, but you get the idea

Commercial/economic Leaders an increase in trade efficiency (both local and foreign) maybe you'll get better deals from opponents during a Commercial Golden Age...
Adam Smith (England, even though he was a Scot - Celts?), John D. Rockefeller (America), Nikolai Kondratiev (Russia - name picked at random). Somehow I don't think Marx (or Engels) would be a good choice...

Right, better stop coming up with crap examples. Unless we want this to be a crap example thread... somehow I think not

 

[mitsho]

good idea, I lve this, but here are some BUTS:

• Do you get enough names, for let's say Sumeria? And what about Zulu? Maya? and the many many new civs that will be included with civ4 (I hope!)
• You say, economial golden age, etc. Do you completely want to revamp the golden-age system? By creating religious, economical, cultural golden ages. And still having THE golden age. Then we'd have to cut down the time of one of these golden ages to less turns, cause otherwise, you would always be in a golden age... But ok, this could be balanced by putting in dark ages...
• How would they be triggered (the leaders)? Religious is dependend on the new religion system. Economical (perhaps rename it to political?) could be dependend on the new civic-system. But cultural? by getting x amount of overall culture and by discovering a 'cultural tech' (philosophy, literature, etc)

mfG mitsho

 

[t3h_m013]

ive mentioned cultural leaders before and i think they are a good idea.
soemthing like every cultural building (or m,aybe wonder?) gives you a percentage chance to get a leader. then they can rush cultural improvements or start a cultural golden age (e.g. weimar germany was culturally great but not militarily etc.)

 

[Cashie]

ive mentioned cultural leaders before and i think they are a good idea.
soemthing like every cultural building (or m,aybe wonder?) gives you a percentage chance to get a leader. then they can rush cultural improvements or start a cultural golden age (e.g. weimar germany was culturally great but not militarily etc.)

Pretty much what I had in mind. For example: a religious leaders might be triggered by substantial religious "output", ie the amount of temples/cathedrals, etc as well as religion-based wonders (Bach's Cathedral, Sistine Chapel, etc)

Cuture would be along similar lines, by production of more 'secular' improvements & wonders: libraries, collosseums [collossea?], Shakespeare's Theatre, H/Bollywood, etc

I'd imagine there'd be new wonders & improvements added to the game: maybe mosques, opera houses, monastaries, pilgrimage centres [for some reason I can only mainly think of Religious things]

Pollitical leaders could work, my only thought on that was how would that effect governments, perhaps if a political leader of ... say Marx in Germany / Lenin in Russia / Mao Zedong in China ... were spawned may bring about the discovery of Communism quicker or conversely, the discovery of different governments may bring about a political leader (relating to pref gov?) in the right circumstances.

Also if limited information / written records of great leaders in culture/religion were scarce it may be necessary to either make someone up (a last option) or insert a mythical figure or a god's name in. eg the Aztecs mught produce the religious leader of Quetzacoatl

Then again, especially if a culture is quite "young" it could be quite embarrassing (or hilarious) if you got something like

Religious fevour in the [American] city of Waco has produced a Religious Leader, David Koresh
Or worse: Religious fevour in the [Australian] city of Sydney has produced a Religious Leader, Fred Nile
Not that they'd put us smelly convicts in the final game