Diplomacy restrictions

[Yiannis]

I was really dissapointed when I discovered the diplomacy restrictions in Conquests.You can't give money per turn if you don't give all of your cash on hand first,you can't trade money,techs or something else for cities in peace negotiations and more restrictions of the kind.What do you say?

 

[socralynnek]

Is the first thing really true? I have made several deals with gpt but keeping a little of my money.

But the second is to avoid an exploit, because you could buy everything from the AI or giving them worthless cities for high money and stuff of that kind.

 

[MikeH]

Is the first thing really true? I have made several deals with gpt but keeping a little of my money.

I don't understand either, I frequently manage to haggle the AI down on the lump sum part of the deal.

 

[TedJackson]

Of course you can make deals for gpt without giving a lump sum... providing you are making enough gpt

As has been previously said, you can trade cities in peace negotiations providing money doesn't change hands. This is to prevent abuse of the AI by human players.


Ted

 

[Yiannis]

I wrote it incorrectly.I meant most of your lump sum,not all.In my experience after taking Civ3C all I can keep from lump sum if I give per turn is,for example,21 gold from 221 gold.

 

[Yaype]

I have been making gpt deals frequently in the game I am currently playing, all while maintaining a coffer with around 8000 gp in it. There must be something more to your game that is making it so you cannot make gpt deals.

 

[Pounder]

If you have broken the trust with another Civ, broken a previous deal, then you will have a hard time negotiating a GPT deal, they will want the cash up front.

 

[kokoras]

It also depends from your Income.AI always knows (don't know why and how,since the player can't have the same information) how much money your cities produce.So if your total income is 5 gpt and you have 500 cold,AI will ask for the ''cash''.But if your income is 30 gpt and your gold 500 it is easy to make a deal by giving gpt.Remember that gpt is prefered because you gain more,even if indirectly.The point is that AI will always try to get the most in every deal.

 

[Yiannis]

If you have broken the trust with another Civ, broken a previous deal, then you will have a hard time negotiating a GPT deal, they will want the cash up front.

My reputation is always clear.If it wasn't,I would be reminded by the rival when was saying "will you accept",telling who I betrayed.But I forgot to tell something.They don't accept to GIVE gold per turn,not only restrict to take.

It also depends from your Income.AI always knows (don't know why and how,since the player can't have the same information) how much money your cities produce.So if your total income is 5 gpt and you have 500 cold,AI will ask for the ''cash''.But if your income is 30 gpt and your gold 500 it is easy to make a deal by giving gpt.Remember that gpt is prefered because you gain more,even if indirectly.The point is that AI will always try to get the most in every deal.

Interesting.I haven't noticed something like that.

 

[kokoras]

Interesting.I haven't noticed something like that.

It is easy to check this out.Let's say that you have science at 70% and your income is 10 gpt,AI will ask you only the gold that you have (if it is enought) or it will not make a traid at all.Now,lower your science at 50% your income will be icreased at X gpt,AI will ask you the gpt that previusly you couldn't give,plus whatever...never stops asking!

 

[Yiannis]

It is easy to check this out.Let's say that you have science at 70% and your income is 10 gpt,AI will ask you only the gold that you have (if it is enought) or it will not make a traid at all.Now,lower your science at 50% your income will be icreased at X gpt,AI will ask you the gpt that previusly you couldn't give,plus whatever...never stops asking!

So it would be better to raise luxury/science percentage before negotiating?

 

[HellboundHeathcliff]

If you do that, you may not have enough to buy whatever you are trying to buy.

The AI runs a deficit most of the time. So they don't have the per turn income to offer you when you try to sell them something. You need to catch them right after they sold something to a different civ or when they have a GA.

 

[kokoras]

When you raise science/luxury your income drops,i agree with watorrey,you sould find the right moment to do a negotiation.I lower the sience/luxury when my income isn't efficient and i am desperate to close a deal,most of the times for a peace treaty.However this is the way things are going as far as traiding and gpt.