I agree granaries have value, but in such a food heavily starting location it isn't fundamental. Besides, Pottery is easily obtainable through trades. Just get a tech we already have a headstart on, for instance maths.
Discussion: The Beginnings of Research
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wlievens
Warlord
I have a strong opinion on this: go for the techs that reveal tactical resources! So that we now where to colonize.
Priorities should thus be:
Bronze Working
Iron Working
The Wheel
And than Writing (for libraries) and then go for The Republic.
Priorities should thus be:
Bronze Working
Iron Working
The Wheel
And than Writing (for libraries) and then go for The Republic.
D'yer Mak'er
pikmin eater
i'm not sure we will have enough production to do the bamspeedy-settler-in-4 turns-strategy. to do that, we need 5food/turn AND a combined production of 30 shields in 4 turns WITHOUT getting a pop of 7.
with a granary, we can get a circulation of 1 settler in 6
without, 1 in 8 is more likely
i say we go for an early #2, mabye an early #3 too, before we place a granary to get a faster settler output in #1. then we can use #2 and #3 to increase our expansion rate. hence, go mathematics and try to trade for pottery.
naervod
My current user title
Thanks for that donsig.
I feel that Pottery should be on our list of technologies to research, however, it does not need to be very high up. Mathematics is essential because it gives us a monopoly on a fairly expensive tech. We can easily get Pottery through trading once we have Math, as we will have that tech and the two most expensive first tier techs. I hypothesize that we will be able to get two techs from trading (at least) I would say we should try and pick up Writing and Pottery from trade (alternatives: Bronze Working, Ceremonial Burial). Whatever we do, Mathematics is necessary. Our path for research/obtaining techs should go something like:
-Math
-Writing*
-Literature
-Pottery*
-Bronze Working
-Ceremonial Burial
-Iron Working
A * means we should try to obtain those techs from trading first.
I feel that Pottery should be on our list of technologies to research, however, it does not need to be very high up. Mathematics is essential because it gives us a monopoly on a fairly expensive tech. We can easily get Pottery through trading once we have Math, as we will have that tech and the two most expensive first tier techs. I hypothesize that we will be able to get two techs from trading (at least) I would say we should try and pick up Writing and Pottery from trade (alternatives: Bronze Working, Ceremonial Burial). Whatever we do, Mathematics is necessary. Our path for research/obtaining techs should go something like:
-Math
-Writing*
-Literature
-Pottery*
-Bronze Working
-Ceremonial Burial
-Iron Working
A * means we should try to obtain those techs from trading first.
Writing from trading? It's:
-Bronze Working
-Ceremonial Burial
-Iron Working
That we should obtain from trading. Writing should be a priority. If we let the AI get writing first, they'll most likely get TO Lit first (remember, Monarchy gives the AI a slight edge).
Is that true that the aim is for 20K culture? If so, then building the Pyramids and Great Library is a must to atleast be assured a victory. (Sistine, JS Bach, and Shakespeare's being other major wonders).
-Bronze Working
-Ceremonial Burial
-Iron Working
That we should obtain from trading. Writing should be a priority. If we let the AI get writing first, they'll most likely get TO Lit first (remember, Monarchy gives the AI a slight edge).
Is that true that the aim is for 20K culture? If so, then building the Pyramids and Great Library is a must to atleast be assured a victory. (Sistine, JS Bach, and Shakespeare's being other major wonders).
Bill_in_PDX
Grumpy Submariner
I agree with Chieftess. If our goal is to get the Great Library, and it should be if we want a cultural victory, then we need to learn writing and lit first. We can get Iron and Bronze from trading... mathmatics...
Now as for pottery. My personal play style is to rarely use granaries. I know the advantages they bring. However in our current starting location, I don't think population growth is going to be much of a problem... in fact, a bit of the problem the other way with a wheat and a floodplain compared to no ceromonial burial or any luxuries nearby.
Now as for pottery. My personal play style is to rarely use granaries. I know the advantages they bring. However in our current starting location, I don't think population growth is going to be much of a problem... in fact, a bit of the problem the other way with a wheat and a floodplain compared to no ceromonial burial or any luxuries nearby.
naervod
My current user title
Those were just some quick suggestions, now that I think about it more, Bronze Working and Ceremonial Burial are good to get through trading, although personally I don't want to spend too much time researching Pottery.
amirsan
King of all Kings
Well I wont continue repeating myself so why dont we just make a poll?
We can get whatever others have from Math. We should get priority Pottery from Trade. We will be able to trade it. WHY WASTE 20 TURNS? Math is good on any land type. Becuase it leads to Currency. It is even BETTER on Continents or Archipelago becuase when you find people one by one which probably dont know each other Math and Currency can be a POWERFUL tool.
Also, whats better than having a settler factory with top production, and commerce? What is better? If I remember, sinse I did read all of Bamspeedy's strategies, he had his settler factory at like population 4 and 3 or something. Why not 5 and 6?
@Chieftess, yeah, we will post a poll I think for which victory, unless it was done, I dont know....
@Naervod, I like your research order.
POTTERY CAN BE GAINED THROUGH TRADING.
When I play on Emperor or Diety, the strategy I used that I learned from the best (playing in SG's) is to keep your research are 0% or minimum on a second level tech and gain money to trade first level techs. All we need to do is pop huts (we have one right next to us) and explore for other nations.
We can get whatever others have from Math. We should get priority Pottery from Trade. We will be able to trade it. WHY WASTE 20 TURNS? Math is good on any land type. Becuase it leads to Currency. It is even BETTER on Continents or Archipelago becuase when you find people one by one which probably dont know each other Math and Currency can be a POWERFUL tool.
Also, whats better than having a settler factory with top production, and commerce? What is better? If I remember, sinse I did read all of Bamspeedy's strategies, he had his settler factory at like population 4 and 3 or something. Why not 5 and 6?
@Chieftess, yeah, we will post a poll I think for which victory, unless it was done, I dont know....
@Naervod, I like your research order.
POTTERY CAN BE GAINED THROUGH TRADING.
When I play on Emperor or Diety, the strategy I used that I learned from the best (playing in SG's) is to keep your research are 0% or minimum on a second level tech and gain money to trade first level techs. All we need to do is pop huts (we have one right next to us) and explore for other nations.
donsig
Low level intermediary
Octavian X
is not a pipe.
All very interesting ideas. 
I'll read over them, and have a poll up sometime tomorrow. Feel free to make poll suggestions to make my life easier.
I'll read over them, and have a poll up sometime tomorrow. Feel free to make poll suggestions to make my life easier.
Originally posted by Octavian X
All very interesting ideas.
I'll read over them, and have a poll up sometime tomorrow. Feel free to make poll suggestions to make my life easier.
Well, the standard on posting instructions says that the cutoff is an hour before the chat, which is starting pretty much right now.
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