Do you consider historgraphic win a victory?

[Archbob]

The game lists that if you have the highest score at endgame, then you have effectively achieved victory. But do you guys consider histographic victory a real "victory"?

I do not, I consider it as "Darn I could not win on time so I settle for pretending like I won".

How many of you share this feeling?

 

[JMK]

I share your point of view.
I should achieve my goal by 2050, if not, then I consider having lost.
Of course if my goal is to reach 2050 with all victory conditions enabled then I won.

 

[Longasc]

I disagree - I won by only a marginal better score against China as I played as Rome, vanilla Civ. I was really worse than nowadays, but I had a REAL challenge, an enemy I could not overcome so easily, I had the problems caused by my own failures... it was a challenge and a fight to the very end.

Right now I am on winning a Demigod game - I will win it, no doubt. I was clearly better than in the game mentioned before.

But it will never be such a hard earned and satisfying victory as the histographic one of my earlier game.

 

[warpstorm]

I consider it a victory. I prefer it to, say, an easy space ship win or a bought diplomatic victory.

 

[SuperBeaverInc.]

I consider it a win. Throughout the entire game, your actions determine how many points you get. If you play well and get lots of land and population, then you will have a higher score. If you can beat the AI, then it is still a win.

 

[dgfred]

I prefer it to diplomatic, due to my disagreeing with being able
to get the world to vote for one leader . On the harder
diff levels it sometimes takes me that long to catch up and keep
others from space victory . That is why it is called a
"win"=="victory".

 

[SesnOfWthr]

I consider it a win. If nothing else, it means you played the 540 turns better than the computer. I usually prefer the military victories, but that's more of a play style choice than a knock on Histograph victories.

 

[HalfBadger]

I still consider it a win, sometimes it feels like a back up win, like if something went wrong, but it's still a win.

 

[Volum]

I consider it a win, alltough i sometimes keep on playing until ive built the Spaceship, or i have taken control over most of the world, its really fun since you can lie and steal and cheat your way to millitary dominance.

 

[dojoboy]

Yes, I consider it a win. Its like a l - o - n - g homerun; still a good as one that barely makes it over the fence. Huh, that was stupid....

 

[alamo]

The quality of victory depends on the circumstances, of course.

For a chieftain playing reagent a histograph win is good, while a reagent playing chieftain should easily get conquest.

In my current game I'm viking stuck on a big continent with the persians. I though I was doing good to keep Jerxes at bay while grabbing land. Meanwhile, all the other civs are happily tech trading and wonder building on another continent. It is middle ages and there is still 1/3 the continent to settle, with other civs angling for a piece now. I'm so far behind in tech right now I will be lucky to get a histograph win.

 

[AdHHH]

Like Alamo I believe it depends on victory settings. Im playing a GOTM for the first time and Im barely a Regent player, so Emperor is quite hard for me. Ive just punched through to be top on points but Im too far behind in tech to win Space Race now, histograph suits me as my rep isn't perfect, each of the remaining Civs is equally strong so it rules out a Domination/Conquest.

 

[The Last Conformist]

I'd consider Histograph a loss, whether I won on points or not.

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

I don't value it as much as say a domination or conquest, or even a cultural. But I find it more satisfying then a bribed diplo.

 

[troytheface]

strange, never considered it anything but a win...don't use space ship victory, i mean pnts makes more sense than launching a space that lands somewhere. I considered points like a victory when all else has been thwarted.

 

[Squikel]

I don't really consider it a victory but it is at least a minor victory, considering that I think that space ship or diplomacy is luck.

a conquest or domination victory is more of a you are the best you won you are the only one back you are better than the computer,
where the points thing is just you survived to the end of the game, it is like if the game had been 50 turns longer you just might have lost.

For me conquest is the only real victory condition.

 

[Alexnm]

Yes, it is a victory for me. Hell, I get more points than the computer civs. This has to mean something.

 

[Tomoyo]

No, I consider it a tie. Not being able to win on time is not a win, but the AI never won, either.

 

[Archbob]

I value histgraph as under all the other victory conditions, even diplo because even in diplomatic victory, you must keep up in tech and in emperor of diety, you still must actually build the UN at a 80:100 or 60:100 production loss ratio.

 

[JMK]

I value histgraph as under all the other victory conditions, even diplo because even in diplomatic victory, you must keep up in tech and in emperor of diety, you still must actually build the UN at a 80:100 or 60:100 production loss ratio.

If you play Histograph on Emperor or deity (with all victory conditions enabled) then you have to deny Diplomatic and Space Ship victory to the AI.