Does Civ IV use StarForce for copy protection?

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PekkaM said:
Fortunately those EULA's or "I agree to this and that before opening"-stickers on CD covers don't hold any water outside US.

If I recon correctly, France is actually banning sales of "CD"'s with copy protection.

The proposed French ban will be on the producers using the term "CD" compatible if the CD uses any form of copy protection involving hardware trickery. In fact - it may not even cover Starforce as it does not use hardware trickery.

It wouldn't prevent them from selling copy protected CDs. They just couldn't use the 'Compact Disc' TM logo on the packaging. This was done because certain older CD-ROMs would have difficulty playing some of the discs.
 
I don't care what copy protection the game uses, AS LONG AS IT DOESNT FORCE ME TO HAVE THE CD IN THE CD-ROM when playing!!! i hate that. >:(
it's very rare to find new games that don't require that, except for MMORPG's, only game that comes to mind is Return to castle wolfenstein and half-life 2. and half-life to was using evil online steam protection hehe.

Anyway, what truly annoys me, is the fact that in order to play a game the way it's meant to be played i must download a crack for my legal copy. (the developer didnt add the protection, the publisher did :p) It really is stupid that cracked copies are more stable and easier to use that legal ones.

(yes i purchase all my games. yes, the first thing i do after installing my purchased game is find a crack for it.)
 
rastak said:
If the car dealer made it so incovenient that I had to leave it unlocked I'd get a different car. And yes, it's the bad seeds fault in the end, it does not justify measure that don't stop them anyway. Trust me, they DO NOT stop them anyway.

I agree.

Now, stuff like Securerom is harmless. Starforce isn't so much *dangerous* in my eyes as it is ugly and clunky. I don't think "those bastards, it was EVIL for them to use starforce" when I buy a starforce game. I think something more along the lines of "poor bastards, they burdened their game with this piece of crap".

Bottom line for me about starforce is: they have the right to use it, and it won't even keep me from buying a starforce game, but ultimately it won't help and will just harm.
 
I find all this talk of Starforce a bit worrying as I too have an intense dislike of any program that installs stuff in the background without asking or warning the user.

With any luck this form of CP will not be used for CivIV as it seems to have a rather questionable reputation, but I would appreciate a heads-up on this from the early users on this forum so I can prepare myself for any 'funnies' I might experience on my PC if the news is not good (I don't expect to get my order until early November so I'll be a few days behind a lot of you guys).
 
lightnng said:
Oh geez. Not only am I apparently screwed because my laptop doesn't have enough video memory (although since it DOES support hardware T&L, I am hoping that I can still run the game with graphics options turned off), now there's this inane CP scheme?

I mean, my laptop doesn't even have a CD drive. It's a business machine, for heaven's sake, thin&light. I use a USB drive for installation only. I have always been able to get by with downloading the nocd cracks that appear about a week after release, but with this Starforce thing... I guess its back to Civ3 then.

What IS it with these publishers? Is it really worth it to seriously inconvenience people who pay for software just to catch the few who don't? The cost of the software already figures that in and more anyhow, and the Civ series is a money printing machine anyway. Grr.

As someone who does PC hardware and software support for a company I'd say to keep your games on your -home- PC anyway and not have to worry about the lack of a CD-ROM drive.;)

With that being said, any program that installs crap like the SF does and doesn't remove it usually get's squashed if I find out about it on my home PC as well. I can't stand mal/spy ware and that's what this SF thing seems to be because it renders your PC more vulnerable than it was before.
 
Ah well, I just hope I get a nice starforce free copy on the fedex overnight...I'm taking the day off and getting a couple of growlers from the local brewpub just for the occasion.

Can't wait!
 
Starforce is good, please don't hate me :D Let me explain, Starforce is good only because it the new version Starforce 3 is really difficult to crack, and currently it is the only protection scheme that is not bypassed and therefore pirates can't play Starforce 3 protected games, they need to resort to insane methods like unplugging their IDE drives etc. All other protection schemes are already cracked. So, releasing Starforce games is good from the publisher's perspective.

Personally, I hate Starforce, because it caused such a pain when the last game I installed 'Still Life' that had StarForce protection, my DVD burner simply broke. Thankfully by that time Startforce 2 was cracked and I could get a No-CD patch for it and clean the mess from my system. The other reason why I don't like it is because I never like to play games while CD in the drive, it doesn't make any sense, if you have legal software, then it should be allowed to at least run the game using the game, this is not possible with Starforce.
 
As someone who does PC hardware and software support for a company I'd say to keep your games on your -home- PC anyway and not have to worry about the lack of a CD-ROM drive.

Yes, well... I don't use a home PC. My laptop is my PC. We have a home PC - two in fact - but one belongs to the wife and one to the kids. I don't touch them except when they need maintenance.

I am buying Civ to play on the road. I don't have much time to actually play it when I'm at home. Civ is a companion for when I'm traveling. You'd be shocked how big of an empire one can build on a redeye... :-)
 
Velvet-Glove said:
I find all this talk of Starforce a bit worrying as I too have an intense dislike of any program that installs stuff in the background without asking or warning the user.

With any luck this form of CP will not be used for CivIV as it seems to have a rather questionable reputation, but I would appreciate a heads-up on this from the early users on this forum so I can prepare myself for any 'funnies' I might experience on my PC if the news is not good (I don't expect to get my order until early November so I'll be a few days behind a lot of you guys).

The odds of it being starforce are pretty low. I wouldn't worry about it.
 
i do not support piracy but it is just so unfair that i paid money for something others get for free.

And that is where the slippery slope begins.

Please think about what you are saying there. This has nothing to do with fairness. It is about choosing to live within the moral, ethical and legal boundaries that we have defined as a society. That is why, for example, piracy is so prevalent in China - as a society, they currently do not frown upon piracy the same way American society does.

Let me ask you another question. Who do you think laws are made for? If you answer "criminals", you are dead wrong. Laws are made so as to codify our moral and ethical standards as a society, which is why they evolve together with society. They are made for the people who choose to live by them, not those who choose to live outside of them. Nor do they protect anyone (enforcement does, to a limited degree). If I choose to live outside of these self-imposed boundaries, then I would care not one whit about which laws I'm breaking at any specific time. It would not enter my mind whatsoever.

Thus the whole concept of copy protection is flawed to begin with. It assumes that by adopting some technical measure - however severe - and backing it up with a law would stop "criminals" from stealing the publisher's intellectual property. However, pirates don't give a damn about the law (they have chosen to live outside of that boundary), and once you have the actual data (CD) in your possession you will be able to recover it at some point in time if you so chose. Notice that cracks appear from countries that in general do not have the same approach to priacy and theft of IP that the US has, and that is no surprise. The people who crack games in those countries are not even criminals (really, they are not). They are not doing anything that is outside of THEIR societally accepted moral boundaries. Essentially, all those CP schemes, especially inane ones such as SF, are completely misguided from the getgo.

And from yet another angle, just think about this: cracks are available for every single damn software product in the world. Yet, in the US, piracy is simply not rampant; even though you can download Civ4 TODAY completely anonymously and without a chance of getting caught if you wanted to, most people in this country still go and buy it. Why is that, do you think?
 
The capitalist pigs have brainwashed America by telling the people that whatever they do in order for it do be good they have to pay the capitalist pigs!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
The capitalist pigs have brainwashed America by telling the people that whatever they do in order for it do be good they have to pay the capitalist pigs!!!

Erm. I suppose you're being sarcastic, but who, prey tell, are those "capitalist pigs" of whom you speak? I mean, you do realize that America has a capitalist society... that is, americans as a people have adopted capitalism as the preferred societal model in which to live?

But you must have been joking. I applaud your sense of humor.
 
Naveed said:
Starforce is good only because it the new version Starforce 3 is really difficult to crack, and currently it is the only protection scheme that is not bypassed and therefore pirates can't play Starforce 3 protected games, they need to resort to insane methods like unplugging their IDE drives etc.

WRONG!
i was very interested in silent hunter III from ubisoft - a WWII sub simulation. but guess what, i found out it was released with the infamous starforce 3! ugh!!

and guess what...... i didnt buy the game.
but is that all? NO! silent hunter III is already cracked and available for pirates!!

oh boy! isnt that fair?!
now.. where were you? you were saying starforce 3 was never cracked :mad:
screw SF.. lousy ubisoft and all others that accept extra few bucks in exchange for my pc security and stablilty.. i hope their lost customers overcome losses from avoided (delayed) piracy! :mad:

fyi:
Game Title: Silent Hunter III (DVD)
Game Version: 1.0
Game Producer: Ubisoft
Region of Origin: Germany/UK
Copy Protection: StarForce 3.4.71.19 (Build 27.02.05)

Patch 1.2 updates to version 3.4.75.03

Patch 1.3 updates to 3.4.76.00
 
lightnng said:
Laws are made so as to codify our moral and ethical standards as a society, which is why they evolve together with society.

Sorry, for getting off topic, but laws are made to make lawyers and their clients rich.
 
Sorry, for getting off topic, but laws are made to make lawyers and their clients rich.

Well, if we're going to go there... what's brown and black and looks good on a lawyer?

A rottweiler.

Thank you thank you, I'll be here all night.
 
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