Double Standard, much?

[Omega124]

It appears that the Great Lighthouse and the Colossus need to be built in a coastal city, and Manchu Picchu (sic) needs to be built near a mountain, but, for some strange reason, the Opera House and SoL somehow don't need to be on the coast. Does anyone else see a double standard in this? Because, apparently, the Colossus /needs/ to be on the coast, but the Statue of Liberty doesn't.

Yeah, I know, the Colossus was more impressive because it was a classical wonder, and for a fact the Lighthouse wouldn't make sense outside of water, but how come modern oceanic wonders don't need the ocean? Either require it for all or don't require it at all.

 

[today]

Well, while both the Sydney Opera House and the Statue of Liberty happen to be on coasts, their functionality would remain similar if they were elsewhere. The Opera House surely doesn't need a coast to be an opera house, and the Statue of Liberty is not a lighthouse but rather a symbol.

 

[Valdyr]

The Colossus is associated with the coast because of the medieval legend that it was so big it had one foot on each side of the harbor of Rhodes and ships passed beneath it.

 

[adam_grif]

The Colossus of Rhodes doesn't need to be built on the water either, since it's just a statue, much like the Statue of Liberty. In fact, the SoL was heavily inspired by the Colossus.

 

[Lancor]

Their boni are for coastal cities only. That's the point of the Great Lighthouse and the Colossus... so it's a gameplay decision.
Also they both were always required to be build in a coastal city, if I remember right, in the older Civs.

 

[12agnar0k]

Today is correct, also as to why the collusus needs to be on a coastal adjacent city, this is because its bonus has to do with water tiles. The opera house or statue of liberty need not be built next to water just because they were in actual history, after all, we are changing history here, the pyramids can be built on grassland standing beside the Stone henge and the Machu Pichu.

^>^.

The Collossus could have a different bonus and a different restriction for all I care, but it doesn't so its not double standards.

 

[Davor]

The Statue of Liberty is a Great Wonder? WTH?! How can it be a great Wonder when there is 3 of them? I don't even think it's the original. I could be wrong on that part though.

 

[Tylerryan79]

Speaking of wonders and water, in the game guide there is a few pics showing a coastal city that has built the pyramids and they are IN the water. About a 1/5 of it(from the top of the entrance) is underwater, you can see the entrance and it has a cool looking effect(because it shows the depth of the water. I just thought that was a bit interesting and would share that with everyone!

 

[cembandit]

Are people really getting upset because of a perceived bias towards an American(kinda) wonder?

Looking too hard for something to get upset about, methinks.

 

[nomikos]

Speaking of wonders and water, in the game guide there is a few pics showing a coastal city that has built the pyramids and they are IN the water.

Shhh! That's the special 'secret' wonder... the Great Pyramids of Atlantis.

I'd tell you the very clever and humorous description... but it's a secret.

PS> It spawns GDRs!

 

[playshogi]

I like the fact that the effect of the Statue of Liberty isn't limited to 1 continent, anymore, and I don't think it has ever been required to built on a coastal city in any civ game.

 

[Nessin]

The Colossus of Rhodes doesn't need to be built on the water either, since it's just a statue, much like the Statue of Liberty. In fact, the SoL was heavily inspired by the Colossus.

The Colossus of Rhodes is known, at least historically, as the entry point to a great harbor in the classical world and as a potential construction marvel of its time. The Statue of Liberty is known for being a symbol of the US to people entering the country. To fulfill those perceptions the Colossus requires a harbor, whereas the Statue of Liberty could be on the border of a land-locked country and still serve the same historical representation.

 

[Helmling]

The Statue of Liberty is a Great Wonder? WTH?! How can it be a great Wonder when there is 3 of them? I don't even think it's the original. I could be wrong on that part though.

Um, the others hardly compare--in scale or historical significance.

However, I would argue that the Statue of Liberty's effect historically has a lot to do with it being on the water, as a symbol for immigrants coming to the United States from the "Old World." I think the rationale that its in-game effect is not linked to the sea would explain why it's not required to be in a coastal city.

Hey, what is its effect now? I'd better read up a little more in the manual before Tuesday. Toodles.

 

[Zhahz]

Looking too hard for something to get upset about, methinks.

Almost - I don't think some around here look all that hard before getting upset over trivia.

 

[VikingMaekel]

The Statue of Liberty is a Great Wonder? WTH?! How can it be a great Wonder when there is 3 of them? I don't even think it's the original. I could be wrong on that part though.

WTH there are 138 Egyptian pyramids why is it a Great Wonder?
The other Statues of Liberty are replicas of the one in New York (one is the prototype of it actually)

I definitely think that the Statue of Liberty is worthy of a Wonder, it is a immediately recognised symbol.

 

[bernlin2000]

Well, while both the Sydney Opera House and the Statue of Liberty happen to be on coasts, their functionality would remain similar if they were elsewhere. The Opera House surely doesn't need a coast to be an opera house, and the Statue of Liberty is not a lighthouse but rather a symbol.

First response is correct, your question is answered, topic closed

 

[GoodSarmatian]

"Being on the coast" is not a defining characteristic of the Sidney Opera House, but I agree that the Statue of Liberty should be in a coastal city as it was a symbol for the boatloads of immigrants who arrived in New York.

 

[Azarael]

Being from sydney myself, the Sydney opera house which is awesome to be included was design to be on the harbor foreshore, the materials and cleaning processes were picked for the high slat content in the air and the lead design went with the distinctive sail shapes so that from a distance they look like sail boats. Would like it be coast only cause of the above considerations but it's is a culture effecting building and gameplay wins on that. Cheers

 

[Alki]

"Being on the coast" is not a defining characteristic of the Sidney Opera House, but I agree that the Statue of Liberty should be in a coastal city as it was a symbol for the boatloads of immigrants who arrived in New York.

But if people arrived in the new country by plane then the SOL could be at an airport. If they can by wagon it could be by a road. It just so happens that at the time in American history people came by boat.

When we play a new map The New World might not exist so the point would be moot anyway.

 

[Kamamura]

The Statue of Liberty is a Great Wonder? WTH?! How can it be a great Wonder when there is 3 of them? I don't even think it's the original. I could be wrong on that part though.

Statue of Libery, rock and roll records and westpoint accademy were included as wonders because Americans represent a large segment of the market, and it's necessary to sugar-coat it a bit for their patriotism to bite!