East India Company question

[DesertFox20591]

does excess luxuries from East India Company counts toward total monopoly? . playing as Arabia Immortal yet another earth map successfully found a religion with spirit of the desert. now having a city with 4 sugar flood plains and wanted to get a sugar monopoly because monopolies in this setting is next to impossible (except for Brazil). so 4 sugar should be 8

 

[Moi Magnus]

Yes

 

[LukaSlovenia29]

so 4 sugar should be 8

I think it grants 1 extra copy of each luxury around the city, so it wouldn't be 8 sugar, but 5 (4+1).

 

[matlajs]

each copy of each luxury spot in 5 tile range from city.

 

[Workerspam]

My experience has been you get a copy of every luxury within working range (3 tiles) of the city. So if you have 4 sugars within workable range of a city, you would have 8 sugars after constructing East India company.

Edit: It's possible I simply haven't noticed gaining additional luxuries beyond the workable range of the city I built it in; I'll have to check next game I play. But on the standard size maps I play if I grab all 8 of my local monopoly, I'll have 10 after I build East India in a city that has access to 2 of them (which usually serves as incentive to build it somewhere with access to different luxuries).

 

[StugLife]

Here´s some extra questions: Does it affect only currently improved luxuries or do you get double from future improvements also? Also, what about luxuries outside your borders, but still inside the city work radius? It does not affect admiral granted luxuries, right? I find myself often delaying building this national wonder because I´m not sure, and other times I´m just waiting to build it in that small border city which has the most unique luxuries in it´s radius to get more copies to trade.

 

[Workerspam]

Here´s some extra questions: Does it affect only currently improved luxuries or do you get double from future improvements also? Also, what about luxuries outside your borders, but still inside the city work radius? It does not affect admiral granted luxuries, right? I find myself often delaying building this national wonder because I´m not sure, and other times I´m just waiting to build it in that small border city which has the most unique luxuries in it´s radius to get more copies to trade.

These are some interesting questions; I never even considered a couple of them.

My understanding and experience with the East India Company is if a tile granted you a copy of the luxury (i.e. improved and within your territory) and was within workable range of the city, then it simply granted two copies instead of one. If you have an existing unimproved or pillaged luxury when you build the EIC you will still get two copies of that luxury once the improvement is in place. If a copied luxury were to be pillaged you would lose both instances until repaired.

Admiral trade missions won't grant extra copies (there's no tile to work) but Indonesia's spawned spices, once improved, should.

 

[tu_79]

but Indonesia's spawned spices, once improved, should.

I never thought of this. It should be feasible to place two indonesian cities close enough so one of those cities would have four different luxuries within range.

 

[Sundance Kid]

Here´s some extra questions: Does it affect only currently improved luxuries or do you get double from future improvements also? Also, what about luxuries outside your borders, but still inside the city work radius? It does not affect admiral granted luxuries, right? I find myself often delaying building this national wonder because I´m not sure, and other times I´m just waiting to build it in that small border city which has the most unique luxuries in it´s radius to get more copies to trade.

I can confirm that you don't have to worry about timing - you will get 2 copies of a luxury if you connect it after building East India Company.

 

[StugLife]

Ok, good to know, thanks!

 

[bigcat88]

East India get copies only in tiles owned by city. It is not always 3 tile radius, it can be 2 tile radius or 4. Just what displayed in luxury info - that will double. And luxury that are in both cities 3 tile radius - belong only to one city. So I just always look at happiness info, and there see which city has more luxuries to double.
But for corporations sometimes better to conquer some CS and build EstIndComp there )

 

[DesertFox20591]

problem solved. i had +5 sugar, +1 gold, +2 cotton from building EIC in Kufah. that was instant sugar global monopoly. didn't get extra coefee and Lapiz

 

[matlajs]

that gold is out of range, isn't it?

 

[neo_arcadia]

Maybe East India Company will give you extra luxury resources for all resource connected to the city regardless of its range.

 

[Emufarmers]

that gold is out of range, isn't it?

It seems it's not the range that matters. As bigcat88 said, it's the tiles that are "owned" by the city; I take this to mean that it's the tiles that the city has acquired through its culture and tiles that were purchased through its city screen. I also assume that if another civ conquered the city, those are the tiles that would go along with it.

 

[matlajs]

and when before capture you reasign your citizens and take some tiles from city which going to be captured, still they go along with city?

 

[StugLife]

East India get copies only in tiles owned by city. It is not always 3 tile radius, it can be 2 tile radius or 4. Just what displayed in luxury info - that will double. And luxury that are in both cities 3 tile radius - belong only to one city. So I just always look at happiness info, and there see which city has more luxuries to double.
But for corporations sometimes better to conquer some CS and build EstIndComp there )

Well, in that case, it seems there is quite some micromanagement involved in finding the most beneficial location for trade company. I guess luxuries which are not yet inside your city borders are not considered owned then, too. So, in order to get most out of it, you should have a city with most unique connected luxuries (or same luxuries, if aiming for monopoly) around it, and preferably none of those tiles overlapping with your other cities.

 

[neo_arcadia]

and when before capture you reasign your citizens and take some tiles from city which going to be captured, still they go along with city?

Well, in that case, it seems there is quite some micromanagement involved in finding the most beneficial location for trade company. I guess luxuries which are not yet inside your city borders are not considered owned then, too. So, in order to get most out of it, you should have a city with most unique connected luxuries (or same luxuries, if aiming for monopoly) around it, and preferably none of those tiles overlapping with your other cities.

I believe citizen placement plays no role in tile owned by city. And, as far as I know every tile can only be owned by one city so there are no overlapping tiles. Even when let's say two cities are placed very close (three tile spaces) and one luxury resource is exactly in the between, only one city will "own" that luxury resource tile, that is, the first city that acquire those tile. And if you use EUI you can see which tile belong to which city.

One thing I don't know for sure is when you use citadel to grab tiles so that two or more of your cities are "connected". In that case, how the game decide which city owns that citadel and its surrounding tiles is still unknown to me.

 

[Moi Magnus]

One thing I don't know for sure is when you use citadel to grab tiles so that two or more of your cities are "connected". In that case, how the game decide which city owns that citadel and its surrounding tiles is still unknown to me.

They are "temporarily" given to the nearest city. "Temporarily" mean that if you capture the city that initially owned those tiles, those tiles are given back to the city (so you will lose them if the city is taken back)