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dust_rat

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Is it just me or does anybody else still have problems with the editor blanking first fields?

I've have the last version (with the readme saying that the problem should be fixed).

:confused: :cry: :nuke:
 
What a relief ... or something ... but isn't this version published? I think I saw something over att appolyton...

Very bad move in such case (IMO).
 
Same here... plus the goody-hut-curse, which means the game crashes whenever you move into a goody-hut, when having edited the rules.
 
In brads "beta 4 of Civ3edit patch" thread, page 2 (i think) DiamondzAndGunz has posted some new nib files that you can drop in to the following directory.
/Applications/Civilization\ III/Civ3Edit.app/Contents/Resources/
This fixed most of these problems.
 
Sphere, this is what I meant when I asked in another thread if there are any additions to the editor that make it work better.
 
I am using the nib files that add the 'add" and 'erase" buttons. I have problems with the editor not saving the last changes I make. For example, if I edit two units, changes are only saved for the first unit I changed not the second. Does anybody else have this prob?

Brad, thanks for all your work on the editor, it's great.
 
The goody-hut problem is solved. It is linked to the tribe names of the Barbarians. If they are faulty or even missing the game will of course crash, when you hit a goody-hut... I didn't notice they were missing. Argh.
 
Originally posted by Quasar
If they are faulty or even missing the game will of course crash, when you hit a goody-hut... I didn't notice they were missing. Argh.
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Just to clarify, the bug in question appears to not update the data of one of the rule tabs when you switch to it. The most noticable side-effect is that the text fields do not contain their default values, but in general the data for the controls in that tab are not correct.

I've still been completely unable to reproduce it here in the 1.32.1 build.
 
Originally posted by Sphere
I have problems with the editor not saving the last changes I make. For example, if I edit two units, changes are only saved for the first unit I changed not the second. Does anybody else have this prob?
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I too have noticed this behavior and have managed to come up with a workaround solution. The "problem" is the (not unreasonable) assumption on the part of the human that any information being changed is automagically remembered by the editor as you type. This is in fact not the case. Just because you change the information in a data field does not imply that the editor has "recorded" that change.

My solution for this is to always after having changed the last field for a particular entry rotate the selection of whatever it is I'm working on. So if I'm changing the stats on (say) a Worker Unit, I'll use the pulldown menu to pick a different Unit (say, an Explorer). Then when I flip back to the Worker Unit I'll see the modified data that I entered.

Basically, in order to "save changes" to the rules you need to "refresh the screen" with something else (anything else) because that forces the editor to record any changes you've made so they'll still be there when you come back. ;)
 
That is about the same thing I do to save the changes I want. I just thought I would point it out so it might be fixed at a later date. :thumbsup:

hopefully
 
Doubletrouble, iI discovered a variant of your workaround this weekend, I switch to an another tab (but don't change anything there!) ant then click OK and then save and quit (using shortcuts).

But still I can't change to much each time and only at one tab at the time (otherwise the blank curse hits).

I shall try the .nibs ASAP.

ANd to Brad, keep up the good work, I tried to sytemize the the blanking yesterday, but it still depends on a parameter I haven't identiffied .... did a scheme of changes and tried to cross-correlate the blanking with some action, but could only conclude hat it wasn't dependable on any signle action, but either on a combination of actions or something I didn't map....
 
Originally posted by dust_rat
ANd to Brad, keep up the good work, I tried to sytemize the the blanking yesterday, but it still depends on a parameter I haven't identiffied .... did a scheme of changes and tried to cross-correlate the blanking with some action, but could only conclude hat it wasn't dependable on any signle action, but either on a combination of actions or something I didn't map....
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Thanks for trying to narrow this down - I really appreciate it.

For those who are seeing the blanking, is there a certain amount of time in the editor where it happens? That is, can you pretty much guarantee you'll see the effect after a certain amount of time if you're twiddling with the rules, or have you had sessions where you've edited stuff and the bug hasn't hit?
 
Originally posted by Brad Oliver


Thanks for trying to narrow this down - I really appreciate it.

For those who are seeing the blanking, is there a certain amount of time in the editor where it happens? That is, can you pretty much guarantee you'll see the effect after a certain amount of time if you're twiddling with the rules, or have you had sessions where you've edited stuff and the bug hasn't hit?
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Indeed. When I was working on the same scenario several times in short intervals (1-2 hours), the bug did not hit, although I believe I quit the program... Whenever I open the file again after a longer period of time, it blanks out those parameters again.

And let me utter my appreciation for your good work here, too, Brad. Thanks.
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The only conclusion I was able to make was the same as other has made:

1) It appears when you edit on two or more tabs (but not always).

2) It seems to be a lower limit of editing in order to reproduce the bug. Time could be a factor actually... when I think of it don't think my editing attemps has ever been destroyed until after hour or more....

3) Sometimes it seems to be hard to get changes to stick. Sometimes it seems to to with the amount of editing (don't do a lot at once), at other times you can't change even a toggle (this can be coupled to that in the background that is indeed a large change, but not visible).

4) I don't think it is totaly random which fields it blanks, but that is only a hunch and I haven't pinned that down yet.

My totaly unproffesional opinion is that it must have something to do with a buffer overflow conected with the save mechanism at the change of tabs...
 
Time is not a factor.... I successfully created a "blanking" in ten minutes. I changed a unit (modern Armor->Dragon) flipped to the general preferences and made it Advanced Barbarian, flipped back and changed mech inf -> Giant Spiders, flipped to General pref and made it Basic Barb, repeated the same nuclear sub->Giant Squid->Sea Barb, then clicked OK Saved and opend up rules editor again ... TA-DA! Era, Dip and Worker was blanked!

Ten minutes ... the strange thing was that the save file was Ok, there there was no balnking AND when I tried to do the samething (more or less) no more blanking occured with that file...

Can it be something that happens when you go back to the rules editor, the first time only?

Hope this will help Brad. During my vacation next weekend I'll try to work some more with the problem...
 
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