Einstein

[SewerStarFish]

I noticed in other threads that Einstein is an American Scientific Great Leader. As he was born in Germany this has caused controversy; so what say you?: Who would you pick as America's SGL?

I say Edison then maybe Ford (not Gerald )

 

[Civrules]

He is probably a US SGL because he is most recognized for what he has done for the US, IMHO.

 

[Shaggy]

I'd pick Linus Pauling

 

[lz14]

Originally posted by Civrules
He is probably a US SGL because he is most recognized for what he has done for the US, IMHO.

And what exactly is that ?

Einstein is a German, period.(switzerland is not in the game) Hitler does not represent Germany.
This decision is an insult to both Einstein and Edison.
To Einstein because a letter to the president is recognized as his biggest achievement, to Edison because there's no love shown to a fellow countryman.

 

[SuperBeaverInc.]

I think Edison should be in their. At least they put Franklin in

 

[SewerStarFish]

Originally posted by lz14


And what exactly is that ?

Einstein is a German, period. Hitler does not represent Germany.
This decision is both an insult to Einstein and Edison.

Well since SGL grant the civilization scientific advantage, I can understand C3C giving the advantage to America. I was simply hoping to hear other possible names -- not stoke the controversy.

As a physics major I must kick my own arse for not thinking of Pauling.

 

[Civrules]

Originally posted by lz14


And what exactly is that ?

Well, he did help create the first nuke...

 

[warpstorm]

Along with figuring out why our torpedoes didn't go off very often and proposing a better design.

 

[Benderino]

Franklin, then Edison, then Eistein. You can have more than one, right?

These three should all be up there.

 

[Elias Rex]

Lets not forget Nikola Tesla (hydroelectrics, radio, the Tesla coil, etc).

 

[Balastulin]

If you want Tesla, you're going have to defend him against the Hungarian crowd I'm afraid.

Try Hubble. Although he did a lot by mistake, he still did it.

 

[Vorpal]

Let's try these:

Oppenheimer -- now he really was the one who created the a-bomb;
Feynman (physics), Watson & Crick (DNA) ;
von Neumann (math, computers, economics) -- Hungarian by birth but did important work in US as well;
Chandrasekhar (astrophysics)-- Indian, but resided in US from the age of 26;

Well, now I have to start thinking to recollect more so I guess I made my contribution

P.S. Einstein should not be Amercian -- all his important work was done in Europe; he just spent his `retirement years' in US

 

[JtheJackal]

Some of the scientists mentioned are a SGL
the list is
Albert Eistein
Thomas Edison
Benjamin Franklin
Nicola Tesla
Richard Feyman
Geroge Washington Carver
Buckminster Fuller

Except for Eistein, while an American at one point his science accomplishments were in Europe, the list seems fine

 

[Masquerouge]

Well, about Enstein, all his work on the relativity theory, his MAJOR achievement (E=MC², you knwo...), was NOT made in the US. So I say he should be a german SGL. It's not as if they weren't enough great american scientists to make up for him
And Iz14, I'm not sure Einstein was Swiss. He worked in Switzerland, in a patent office, alright (that's where he developed his theory), but I think he was German.

 

[Kute]

Originally posted by Civrules


Well, he did help create the first nuke...

I'm sorry if my post if a bit of a spam but i can let past this.
Enstein did not help to build the first nuke, he warned the US governement that Hitler was short to create the first nuke. After many months of lobbying the US agreed and started to look into a possible new weapon. Then Project Manhattan started. When Einstein understood that the US military was not interrested in stoping Hitler as much as having a new toy to play with he simply refuse to be a part of the Project. That was Oppenheimer job.

Check this link, you won't find Einstein name next to the Manhattan project. http://www.atomicmuseum.com/tour/manhattanproject.cfm

And a bio:Einstien biography

 

[TerraHero]

Einstein is mnot American..he was already pretty old when he fled from Germany in the late 30's

All his work was done in his home country and germany and as mentioned he only spent is retirement years in America.

And if they didn't add Edison, wich in my opinion was a very important scientist, they really need a check up and quit the booze

 

[Emperor Xerxes]

Originally posted by lz14


Hitler does not represent Germany.

Of course, Hitler was born an Austrian.

 

[Pirate]

Einstein renounced his German citizenship to avoid military service and went into self-imposed exlie to avoid the growing anti-semitism in Germany. I think it would be an insult to Einstein to call him German. However, without the Swiss in the game, to which country would you attribute Einstein? The United States, while not entirely accurate, seems like a reasonable option. In what other contries did Einstein work?

 

[Masquerouge]

I'm not so sure about Einstein feeling insulted if we called him a German. After all, Germany's not only about nazis.
Look for instance to all those that fled USSR to come to the US, but still felt a longing ache for the Mother Country... Soljenytsin, for instance.
The thing is, there is so many great american scientists, why pick Einstein ?

 

[ShiplordAtvar]

Would this be something that can be modded via judicious use of the editor? I recall being able to modify the list of military great leaders, perhaps the same can be done with scientific great leaders.