Emperor, always struggling against the always ahead runaway.

[vyyt]

In the file newunits.sql between lines 358 & 359 inserted:

('UNIT_ZEPPELIN', 'PROMOTION_CAN_MOVE_AFTER_ATTACKING'),

No problems up through version 5-19. Haven’t built zeps in 6-2 yet.

In 6-2, zeps already move after attack by default, so no need for the tweak.

@psparky, if you use the above code, note that it will not apply on the zeps you already have (me thinks).

 

[Bryan317]

Since some time I start always with IGE and give me a free worker at the start.

This works. And honestly ReallyAdvacedSetup will solve most of your handicap issues. Heck start yourself with a nuke if you want lol

 

[LarryAR]

In 6-2, zeps already move after attack by default, so no need for the tweak.

Yep, I see the line is in MeleeUnits.sql so the addition in NewUnits.sql is no longer needed.
It's gratifying to see I was ahead of the pack for a while.

It also underscores how the difficulty levels are convenient packages but we can make our own incremental changes in difficulty.

This discussion on emperor level inspired me to play a emperor level vanilla version. It was kind of a perverse pleasure. Like a kid stirring ants with a stick. I definitely appreciate the evolution of Vox Populi.

 

[psparky]

I tried the change for Zeppelins in my old version and it worked. However, as I feared, the promotion is retained when upgrading to paratroopers and does allow them to melee attack and then move. I believe that this will also happen in the current VP release. If so, is that a problem?

 

[Rekk]

I tried the change for Zeppelins in my old version and it worked. However, as I feared, the promotion is retained when upgrading to paratroopers and does allow them to melee attack and then move. I believe that this will also happen in the current VP release. If so, is that a problem?

In the current version of VP (since mid-2018), Zeppelins are skirmishers. No promotion necessary.

 

[psparky]

In the current version of VP (since mid-2018), Zeppelins are skirmishers. No promotion necessary.

That is not correct as far as I can see. In 5-19 (the latest I have) they are still Recon units with the promotion. LarryAR posted that the promotion is still applied in 6-2.

Also, as I understand it, skirmishers are archery units with the Can Move After Attacking promotion, not a special class that gives them the ability.

I still believe that there's a potential issue that paratroopers from upgraded zeppelins can melee attack and then move.

 

[azum4roll]

The promotion is lost in upgrade so that shouldn't happen.

 

[LarryAR]

Once upon a time, I started adding the Can_Move_After_Attacking promotion to the zeppelins promotion list in a file. I didn’t realize when later versions starting listing the promotion in a different file. So my entry became redundant and unnecessary.

Feeding my curiosity, a few days ago I re-installed and reloaded a few older versions.
In a recent version I saw where paratroopers inherited the promotion. This is may be a self-inflicted side effect of making the promotion redundant in a second file.

In short, when we try these things at home, there may be unintended consequences …

 

[psparky]

The promotion is lost in upgrade so that shouldn't happen.

As I understand it, the lost on upgrade flag is an attribute of the promotion itself. It is not set for CanMoveAfterAttacking in the latest source on Github.

Larry, I don't believe the issue is caused by having two occurrences as in my experiment (in a version that predates the change) I saw it when there was only one.

Can anybody actually confirm either way if upgraded paratroopers are inheriting the promotion in the latest version?

 

[LarryAR]

Can anybody actually confirm...

Apologies to the op for the thread drift.

Using version 6-2 with unedited files, Really Advanced Setup, and IGE start in Information era, with zeppelins, paratroopers, and special forces:

Yes -The zeppelin promotion, can_move_after_attacking, did get inherited thru upgrades from zeppelin to paratrooper and also onward to special forces.
and Yes - freshly trained paratroopers and special forces did NOT get the promotion.

A case can be made that all paratroops and special forces should receive the can_move_after_attacking
promotion due to their lighter equipment and reduced combat strength.

 

[psparky]

I posted on GitHub and G confirms it's intended - a boost for upgraded units.