Espionage

[Aussie_Lurker]

Wow, I never had any of these issues with Espionage in BtS. I made fairly extensive use of it, & so did the AI in my games. Being able to steal technologies wasn't a good mission to include IMO-instead I think they should have had some kind of "Industrial Espionage" mission that allowed you to "steal" beakers towards a tech you were already studying-or "Industrial Sabotage", that allowed you to "destroy" beakers towards a civs current research project.
Aside from that, though, I loved the ability to spread propaganda, try & force a socio-political realignment etc etc. Some games I couldn't be stuffed using spies, but the passive system alone made a modest investment in EP worthwhile.
That's not to say it couldn't be improved, like what I mentioned above, & perhaps that socio-political realignments should only be allowed in the Capital. Also remember that, with the removal of Commerce, if EP's make a return, then they will be generated directly from your buildings, your citizen specializations & from tiles (& possibly trade routes)-so you'd no longer have to sacrifice science or culture in order to pursue an espionage strategy!

Aussie.

 

[Horizons]

For all of you who said Espionage should be introduced in an expansion I'm with you.

In the same way that Warlords was a great enhancement for Civ 4, espionage would be great for this new version of Civ.

There has to be something ... I love pushing my little diplomats around the map, poking my nose in to other nation's affairs.

 

[Ricci]

Wow, I never had any of these issues with Espionage in BtS. I made fairly extensive use of it, & so did the AI in my games. Being able to steal technologies wasn't a good mission to include IMO-instead I think they should have had some kind of "Industrial Espionage" mission that allowed you to "steal" beakers towards a tech you were already studying-or "Industrial Sabotage", that allowed you to "destroy" beakers towards a civs current research project.
Aside from that, though, I loved the ability to spread propaganda, try & force a socio-political realignment etc etc. Some games I couldn't be stuffed using spies, but the passive system alone made a modest investment in EP worthwhile.
That's not to say it couldn't be improved, like what I mentioned above, & perhaps that socio-political realignments should only be allowed in the Capital. Also remember that, with the removal of Commerce, if EP's make a return, then they will be generated directly from your buildings, your citizen specializations & from tiles (& possibly trade routes)-so you'd no longer have to sacrifice science or culture in order to pursue an espionage strategy!

Aussie.

You spoke mi mind almost completely here! Espionage introduced a layer of depth to the gameplay never before achieved by any civ game or expansion. Please, by no means I try to sound demeaning here, but I can easily understand it being annoying and tedious for many gamers, needing to adapt theirs already concieved playing styles; having another choice within the slider, more worries and new foreign espionage to cope with, etc etc..
It´s just great, and prone to improvement of course! Which I was hoping to find in this sequel.. mmnmnmnmnmnmn...