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Stormbringer has the save, he plays it in a day or two. Told me via PM.
EU2-SG: The Vile Venetians
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Stormbringer
The Brick and The Rose
Guys, I'm very sorry but way more things than I can deal with all piled up right now. I just switched computers, and I don't think I will have EU2 installed again until this weekend, or possibly next weekend, and I do not want you all to wait for me that long. So go ahead and skip this turn, and I will let you all know as soon as I have my computer running again, and then I would be glad to join you.
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Okay, after Stormbringer it's Olav, who still plays Livonia-AAR with old version. Then it should be my turn, but I played before CH. So Kan or Till will play this turn.
I won't let this game die.
KAAAAAAAN!
I won't let this game die.
KAAAAAAAN!
Kan' Sharuminar
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I can take it and hopefully have an update by tommorow.
Out of interest, can't Olav install another copy of the game, if it's a version problem he has? I once had a couple of installs of HoI in order to play the vanilla as well as another for a Great War mod
Out of interest, can't Olav install another copy of the game, if it's a version problem he has? I once had a couple of installs of HoI in order to play the vanilla as well as another for a Great War mod
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Dunno, maybe he could make a separate install. But his Livonia-AAR ends soon so...
Kan' Sharuminar
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Terribly sorry about this, chaps - I actually had the game up and running, but now a friend is having problems and I'm helping him out 
It will be done soon though, the five year Sharuminian Council is nothing if not determined.
It will be done soon though, the five year Sharuminian Council is nothing if not determined.
Stormbringer
The Brick and The Rose
Ok, so I just re-installed everything and I could play if we need someone to pick up the game. E-mail the save to me at mishkasm@gmail.com
Stormbringer
The Brick and The Rose
1429-1434
At the begining of 1429 Francesco Foscari altered slightly the budget of his government. While infrastructure and trade were already ahead of those of other nations, they were still the most important areas of research, and their neglect over the last couple of years could no longer be tolerated.
Similar neglect in the trade sector was distressing. Merchants piled up in the capital, not being sent anywhere when Venice could probably have a monopoly on trade throughout South Eastern Europe. Merchants were immediatley dispatched.
The same year domestic policies of the city were changed to allow more freedom for the peasantry. Stability has not been a major problem, while higher efficiency and morale would prove useful in the coming conflicts.
In the spring the city reached land tech 2, now on par with pretty much all of Europe. At the same time Francesco initiated a number of diplomatic overtures towards potential allies, hoping to strengthen Venitian alliance in the hopes of a coming battle against the Turks.
That however ended the good part of the five years, and after this point events went from bad to worse. The alliance that Venice had lead expired in October, and all of the allies refused to resign it. None of the other nations would agree to one either, and Venice lacked the funds to convince them.
In early 1430 a monopoly was gained in Venice. It would be lost a couple of times over the coming years, but overall trade remained at a higher level than before 1429.
In June of the same year a local conflict between nobles and peasants erupted in Istra, and Francesco sided with the nobles. It went against his previous policies, but the money he gained was quickly used to promote a tax collector in Ionia, long overdue.
In September Thessalonica fell to the Turks (event), hurting the Venetian trade in the Ionian sea. Venice had to really prepare for a war with the Turks now, but the army remained weak, the allies few, and the money always short.
For the remaining two years trade remained a focus of the reign, bringing it up significantly. A pretender to the Bosnian throne was sent away due to the lack of funds, and the war with the Turks was once again postponed.
Then finally a brilliant leader, Gottamelata, took command of the Ventian army, and maybe now is the time to strike at the enemy.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/1286/Venice.zip
At the begining of 1429 Francesco Foscari altered slightly the budget of his government. While infrastructure and trade were already ahead of those of other nations, they were still the most important areas of research, and their neglect over the last couple of years could no longer be tolerated.
Similar neglect in the trade sector was distressing. Merchants piled up in the capital, not being sent anywhere when Venice could probably have a monopoly on trade throughout South Eastern Europe. Merchants were immediatley dispatched.
The same year domestic policies of the city were changed to allow more freedom for the peasantry. Stability has not been a major problem, while higher efficiency and morale would prove useful in the coming conflicts.
In the spring the city reached land tech 2, now on par with pretty much all of Europe. At the same time Francesco initiated a number of diplomatic overtures towards potential allies, hoping to strengthen Venitian alliance in the hopes of a coming battle against the Turks.
That however ended the good part of the five years, and after this point events went from bad to worse. The alliance that Venice had lead expired in October, and all of the allies refused to resign it. None of the other nations would agree to one either, and Venice lacked the funds to convince them.
In early 1430 a monopoly was gained in Venice. It would be lost a couple of times over the coming years, but overall trade remained at a higher level than before 1429.
In June of the same year a local conflict between nobles and peasants erupted in Istra, and Francesco sided with the nobles. It went against his previous policies, but the money he gained was quickly used to promote a tax collector in Ionia, long overdue.
In September Thessalonica fell to the Turks (event), hurting the Venetian trade in the Ionian sea. Venice had to really prepare for a war with the Turks now, but the army remained weak, the allies few, and the money always short.
For the remaining two years trade remained a focus of the reign, bringing it up significantly. A pretender to the Bosnian throne was sent away due to the lack of funds, and the war with the Turks was once again postponed.
Then finally a brilliant leader, Gottamelata, took command of the Ventian army, and maybe now is the time to strike at the enemy.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/1286/Venice.zip
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Great, Stormbringer! We returned to the original schedule!
Olav or Till, your turn to lead Venice to glory!
If Till plays, after him it's Olav's turn. Then back to me and then Kan and then CH and then GLORIOUS VICTORY FOR VENICE!
Olav or Till, your turn to lead Venice to glory!
If Till plays, after him it's Olav's turn. Then back to me and then Kan and then CH and then GLORIOUS VICTORY FOR VENICE!
Olav
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1434
Francesco Foscari worried himself with the fact that Venice didn't have any allies. Looking for alliances to join, he noticed that Aragons mighty alliance had room for another member. An emissary was sent to Aragon, with a request to join the alliance. To Foscaris joy, Aragon accepted. The joy lasted only for a day, when the alliance expired. Foscari had to find a new alliance. The choice fell on Naples, allied to Tuscany. Even if this wasn't the best and biggest alliance in the area, it was better than nothing.
In the domestic matters, Foscari put all the budget money on research of infrastructure. The next level should be reached around 1450, giving access to a wonderful manufactory: a refinery. Venice would benefit greatly from this building, as many of the provinces in the realm got wine (and sugar) resources.
1435
In the spring of 1435 important events happened to Venices ally, Naples. They were vassalized by Provence. This outraged Foscari: How could his ally and Italian friend bow under for a small French nation? To not appear weak, Foscari orderer his soldiers to prepare for war...
Since Venice had a valid reason to attack Naples, the rest of Europes nation didn't complain about Foscaris actions (1 BB for DOW and -3 stability). Foscari decided that Tuscany, Venices ally, wouldn't need to participate in the war.
As the invasion came, the Napolese(?) army in Apulia quickly retreated to Napoli. They were clearly up to something, as their fleet sailed from the west coast of Napoli to the east coast. They loaded almost all of their soldiers onto the fleet: they planned an invasion of Ragusa! Foscari made a plan for a counterattack: When the Napolese soldiers had embarked onto the ships, Venices great admiral Pietro Loredan should attack the outnumbered enemy fleet with full force.
As Loredan engaged in battle, good news came. A monopoly company was formed, so Venice got 75 ducats in the deal.
Loredans attack was a big success, as all of Naples ships were sunk. The Venetian army in Apulia had now no opposition to worry about.
1436
Apulia was captured in January. Since all of Naples' troops were on the bottom of the Adriatic sea, it was a easy job for Gattamelata and his men to besiege Napoli. It was captured in October, and Naples had nothing left. Foscari could therefore get almost everything what he wanted from Naples in a peace deal. The final results were military access, 75 ducats in compensation and Apulia to Venice (+2 BB).
1437
1437 had a bad start, as Loredan lost his life at sea. This was not the only bad event this year, as Sigismund of Hungary was payed 50 ducats in return of Hungarys recognition of Dalmatia as Venetian land. However, Sigismund also recieved a message that Crotia is also considered Venetian property. (The other event gave -75 ducats)
1438-39
In the summer of 1438, the mad monarch Gianfrancesco of Mantua decided that Venice should be his worst enemy.
This gave Venice a valid reason for war against Mantua and her ally Milan. However, Foscari decided that this alliance is far to strong to wage a war against at this time.
As the new years eve came, a new leader reported for duty: Francesco Sforza. He would become handy in the future wars that sure will come.
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Ok, that was my first turn. The alliance we're in now is very weak, so be on the lookout for alliance members! Also, cavalry is way too expensive (23 ducats for 1000), so I suggest going one click to Aristocracy.
The save.
Francesco Foscari worried himself with the fact that Venice didn't have any allies. Looking for alliances to join, he noticed that Aragons mighty alliance had room for another member. An emissary was sent to Aragon, with a request to join the alliance. To Foscaris joy, Aragon accepted. The joy lasted only for a day, when the alliance expired. Foscari had to find a new alliance. The choice fell on Naples, allied to Tuscany. Even if this wasn't the best and biggest alliance in the area, it was better than nothing.
In the domestic matters, Foscari put all the budget money on research of infrastructure. The next level should be reached around 1450, giving access to a wonderful manufactory: a refinery. Venice would benefit greatly from this building, as many of the provinces in the realm got wine (and sugar) resources.
1435
In the spring of 1435 important events happened to Venices ally, Naples. They were vassalized by Provence. This outraged Foscari: How could his ally and Italian friend bow under for a small French nation? To not appear weak, Foscari orderer his soldiers to prepare for war...
Since Venice had a valid reason to attack Naples, the rest of Europes nation didn't complain about Foscaris actions (1 BB for DOW and -3 stability). Foscari decided that Tuscany, Venices ally, wouldn't need to participate in the war.
As the invasion came, the Napolese(?) army in Apulia quickly retreated to Napoli. They were clearly up to something, as their fleet sailed from the west coast of Napoli to the east coast. They loaded almost all of their soldiers onto the fleet: they planned an invasion of Ragusa! Foscari made a plan for a counterattack: When the Napolese soldiers had embarked onto the ships, Venices great admiral Pietro Loredan should attack the outnumbered enemy fleet with full force.
As Loredan engaged in battle, good news came. A monopoly company was formed, so Venice got 75 ducats in the deal.
Loredans attack was a big success, as all of Naples ships were sunk. The Venetian army in Apulia had now no opposition to worry about.
1436
Apulia was captured in January. Since all of Naples' troops were on the bottom of the Adriatic sea, it was a easy job for Gattamelata and his men to besiege Napoli. It was captured in October, and Naples had nothing left. Foscari could therefore get almost everything what he wanted from Naples in a peace deal. The final results were military access, 75 ducats in compensation and Apulia to Venice (+2 BB).
1437
1437 had a bad start, as Loredan lost his life at sea. This was not the only bad event this year, as Sigismund of Hungary was payed 50 ducats in return of Hungarys recognition of Dalmatia as Venetian land. However, Sigismund also recieved a message that Crotia is also considered Venetian property. (The other event gave -75 ducats)
1438-39
In the summer of 1438, the mad monarch Gianfrancesco of Mantua decided that Venice should be his worst enemy.
This gave Venice a valid reason for war against Mantua and her ally Milan. However, Foscari decided that this alliance is far to strong to wage a war against at this time.
As the new years eve came, a new leader reported for duty: Francesco Sforza. He would become handy in the future wars that sure will come.
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Ok, that was my first turn. The alliance we're in now is very weak, so be on the lookout for alliance members! Also, cavalry is way too expensive (23 ducats for 1000), so I suggest going one click to Aristocracy.
The save.
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Great! I'll wait some time for Till before I take the save.
Olav, what graphic mod are you using? Or do you use any?
I would have tried to create a new alliance with Aragon when it expired, though I doubt others would have joined it.
Olav, what graphic mod are you using? Or do you use any?
I would have tried to create a new alliance with Aragon when it expired, though I doubt others would have joined it.
Till
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I got it. Will have to set up the game first and have to attend with some RL matters, but it should be ready by Monday.
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Forget the real life! 
Monday is OK, then I'll try to play at Tuesday.
Monday is OK, then I'll try to play at Tuesday.
Olav
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Great! I'll wait some time for Till before I take the save.
Olav, what graphic mod are you using? Or do you use any?
I would have tried to create a new alliance with Aragon when it expired, though I doubt others would have joined it.
I'm using a color-mod by Ryoken69(?) that I found at the Paradox forum. Here it is. Just paste it in the EU2\maps folder. Create a backup for the current colorscales that already is there.
I tried to invite Aragon into a new alliance when the last one expired... they wouldn't join. So Naples + Tuscany was really the only option, as Milans alliance was full.
Till
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1439-1443
Sultan Doge Foscari found Venice to be in excellent economic shape. When it came to international politics, however, there was some reason for concern. Hungary hated Venice's guts, and while they were quite powerful by themselves, they had Austria and Bohemia as allies to boot!
Venice just had Tuscany as ally, which wasn't really worth too much. But it seemed just about every nation was in an alliance already, so there was currently no way of getting more allies. Foscari would have to be patient.
In January 1439, a military leader died:
In February of the same year, more power was given to the Aristocracy. Besides these two events, nothing of real significance happened. Merchants lost market share in Venice, which caused Foscari to send new ones to regain it. Spare diplomats were used to arrange marriages all over Europe.
November brought Venice news of the new Emperor over the Holy Roman Empire, Friedrich V or Austria.
In 1440 a new military leader joins our cause:
He suggested that we make use of the casus belli against Mantua, but Foscari deemed Mantua's alliance too strong.
The only other noteworthy event of the year occurred in November, when a diplomatic move gave us some minor benefits:
Much to his suprise, Foscari received a promotion to "Viscount" in 1441. Just when he was about to organize the celebrations, news of Sforza's death arrived...
This was also the year, when a casus belli against Hungary expired. It pained Foscari to let the chance go by, but war would have been folly against such a strong enemy.
It wasn't until 1442 that Foscari had something resembling a choice to make. Either support the dissidents in Lorraine (-25 gold & relations) or refuse to support them (-1 stability).
He decided to support them, given how far away Lorraine was and how little money was required.
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These were very uneventful turns. I tried to get Naples to declare war on us by insulting them, but they were smart enough not to fall for it.
The Save
Venice just had Tuscany as ally, which wasn't really worth too much. But it seemed just about every nation was in an alliance already, so there was currently no way of getting more allies. Foscari would have to be patient.
In January 1439, a military leader died:
In February of the same year, more power was given to the Aristocracy. Besides these two events, nothing of real significance happened. Merchants lost market share in Venice, which caused Foscari to send new ones to regain it. Spare diplomats were used to arrange marriages all over Europe.
November brought Venice news of the new Emperor over the Holy Roman Empire, Friedrich V or Austria.
In 1440 a new military leader joins our cause:
He suggested that we make use of the casus belli against Mantua, but Foscari deemed Mantua's alliance too strong.
The only other noteworthy event of the year occurred in November, when a diplomatic move gave us some minor benefits:
Much to his suprise, Foscari received a promotion to "Viscount" in 1441. Just when he was about to organize the celebrations, news of Sforza's death arrived...
This was also the year, when a casus belli against Hungary expired. It pained Foscari to let the chance go by, but war would have been folly against such a strong enemy.
It wasn't until 1442 that Foscari had something resembling a choice to make. Either support the dissidents in Lorraine (-25 gold & relations) or refuse to support them (-1 stability).
He decided to support them, given how far away Lorraine was and how little money was required.
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These were very uneventful turns. I tried to get Naples to declare war on us by insulting them, but they were smart enough not to fall for it.
The Save
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Great!
I may play the save today, I'm not sure but I may. At least tomorrow I'll play it.
I may play the save today, I'm not sure but I may. At least tomorrow I'll play it.
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Here is the update!
Unfortunately very few or none pics, connection is currently very laggy(haven't played the save yet when wrote this).
"Umm... May I speak to you, Doge Fransisco?"
"Speak, my loyal cook!"
"Well, I and Humberto thought that we really need money. And a way to get it is robbing it by war."
"Hmm... Continue."
"And by beating Hungary we could do it. I asked your two daughters to marry a Bohemian and Austrian prince. When we declare war to Hungary, and their allies join, their stability is weakened!"
"Hmm... I may try that"
Joanna and Maria married Janislav of Bohemia and Jörg of Austria. That was the start of Gardener's Masterplan!
But the plan won't be done before the paying of loan. Luckily Venice's yearly income was bigger than monthly income X 12.
September 22nd 1445 a big step forwards was made. Papal States and Siena were invited to our alliance, which now grew bigger and stronger.
October 7th 1446 our alliance expired, and Tuscany refused to join the new alliance.
So did Papal States. And Foscari joined the alliance of Styria, Palatinate, Wirtemberg and Strassburg in order to rob Tirol. 
Thanks to our Entrenched Maritime Republic, we got a naval shipyard to Veneto.
July 1st 1447 Taddeo D'Este died.
Connection is laggy, and I'm not able to post a pic. Another Lombardi War occured by an event. We got a CB against Milan, our major enemy. Also 5000 infantry to Veneto were deployed by that event.
Our loan was paid in January 1448.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/99967/Venice.rar
The Save!
Unfortunately very few or none pics, connection is currently very laggy(haven't played the save yet when wrote this).
"Umm... May I speak to you, Doge Fransisco?"
"Speak, my loyal cook!"
"Well, I and Humberto thought that we really need money. And a way to get it is robbing it by war."
"Hmm... Continue."
"And by beating Hungary we could do it. I asked your two daughters to marry a Bohemian and Austrian prince. When we declare war to Hungary, and their allies join, their stability is weakened!"
"Hmm... I may try that"
Joanna and Maria married Janislav of Bohemia and Jörg of Austria. That was the start of Gardener's Masterplan!
But the plan won't be done before the paying of loan. Luckily Venice's yearly income was bigger than monthly income X 12.
September 22nd 1445 a big step forwards was made. Papal States and Siena were invited to our alliance, which now grew bigger and stronger.
October 7th 1446 our alliance expired, and Tuscany refused to join the new alliance.
So did Papal States. And Foscari joined the alliance of Styria, Palatinate, Wirtemberg and Strassburg in order to rob Tirol. Thanks to our Entrenched Maritime Republic, we got a naval shipyard to Veneto.
July 1st 1447 Taddeo D'Este died.
Connection is laggy, and I'm not able to post a pic.
Another Lombardi War occured by an event. We got a CB against Milan, our major enemy. Also 5000 infantry to Veneto were deployed by that event.Our loan was paid in January 1448.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/99967/Venice.rar
The Save!