Extra happy guys in GA?

[ummmm........]

Okay, as some of you may have heard me mention ( . . . once or twice, not like I'm militant or anything . . . ) I only play Monarch, since I loathe the micromanagement required at higher levels. But to keep things interesting, I always randomize EVERYTHING. In my latest game, this turned into a fairly crappy start on a Tiny map. Result: nine cities. So, I figured, why not micromanage? I mean, even I can keep track of nine cities.

So things are going well, and I have to admit, y'all are right; micromanagement does make the game A LOT easier. But I've noticed something odd. All of my cities have one or more "extra" happy faces. I only have one luxury (did I mention the crappy start?) but some of my cities have two or even three happy citizens. The luxury slider is set to zero, and there are no unaccounted for entertainers in the cities I refer to. (All cities have zero happy faces in their luxury bar).

At first I thought maybe this was the result of some kind of "negative" War Weariness, since I first noticed it when I was in Despotism and doing well against the Aztecs. But later, still doing well against the Aztecs in a second war, now as a Republic, I continued to see the "extra" happy guys.

At the start of the second war, my UU got a win, and I went into a golden age. I didn't think that had anything to do with it, since I had noticed the extra happiness in the prior war as a despot, but when I finished my GA, ALL of my cities (except two recently conquered, all-scientist ones) went into disorder.

This leads me to conclude the following:

1) You get negative war weariness for doing well in a war as a "NO WW" gov, and

2) You get free happy guys for being in a GA.

Neither of these things makes sense to me, and I have every confidence that I am wrong, I just want to know what is going on. I don't have the saves from this far back in the game, but I figure I'm just missing something obvious and someone will be able to point it out to me.

Sorry about the long post, but it's a complicated issue.

 

[Turner]

Keep in mind with the GA you get an extra commerce arrow for each tile worked. This extra gold piece per pop (plus one, counting the city center) can go a long way into making people happy. I'm not at all surprised that you went into disorder when you GA went bye-bye.

As to the reverse war-weariness, I think Firaxis slipped something in on us. It used to be that when you go to war with an AI for more than three times, you tend to get a reverse WW effect, making the people happy. I think now they have it set up so that on your first war with a civ, especially when they declare, you get the RWW effect because of patriotism. Not sure, but it's a trend I've noticed in my past few games.

 

[Roland Johansen]

You get negative war weariness, when another civ declares war on you. It disappears as you get more casualties and as your units spent more turns in enemy territory. Maybe the end of your Golden Age coincided with the end of the negative war weariness boost, you got. That would be a coincidence, but is probably the case.

You could look at this great article on war weariness.

Read here.

As you have your luxury slider at zero percent, the happiness can not be the result of the Golden Age extra commerce

 

[Turner]

That's right, I forgot about the slider at 0 means no income going to lux's.

 

[ummmm........]

@Roland Johansen: There was nothing to indicate that neg WW would have suddenly stopped at that point. IIRC, the end of my GA coincided with my capture of the Aztec captial, which would have included the loss of one or two offensive units, but it seems unlikely that that would have made my folks unhappy. Any chance neg WW has something to do with corruption? You're probably right, I'm just looking for alternative solutions.

EDIT: BTW, both wars started after I refused an Aztec demand, so neg WW probably is the cause of the extra happy guys, I'm just trying to figure it out. Incidentally, I think this is a GREAT idea on Firaxis' part.

 

[Roland Johansen]

Originally posted by ummmm........
@Roland Johansen: There was nothing to indicate that neg WW would have suddenly stopped at that point. IIRC, the end of my GA coincided with my capture of the Aztec captial, which would have included the loss of one or two offensive units, but it seems unlikely that that would have made my folks unhappy.

Those extra units that got killed produced a few extra war weariness points. If you go above a certain level (0,30,60,90) of war weariness points, you get extra war weariness or you lose the war happiness. I really think that was what happened. Read the article that I posted in my previous post for more information on war weariness points.

 

[lbhhh]

Originally posted by Roland Johansen
Those extra units that got killed produced a few extra war weariness points. If you go above a certain level (0,30,60,90) of war weariness points, you get extra war weariness or you lose the war happiness.

I agree. IIRC taking an ennemy city adds 17+ ww points so that would likely explain the end of the war happiness.

 

[Roland Johansen]

I noticed that I made a mistake in the link I posted. I repaired it. Sorry.

You don't get war weariness if you capture a city, but if you lose a city. So the extra war weariness (or in this case loss of war happiness) is probably caused by the loss of those units while you captured the enemy capitol.

 

[lbhhh]

Originally posted by Roland Johansen

You don't get war weariness if you capture a city, but if you lose a city.

Good to know. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[ummmm........]

Okay, now I got to read the article, and the dead attackers probably did it. It just confused me that my GA ended the same turn. (Still, two lousy Medieval Infantry for the Aztec capital seems like a fair deal to me. I blame the liberal media for jacking up unrest at home).

 

[lbhhh]

Originally posted by ummmm........
two lousy Medieval Infantry for the Aztec capital seems like a fair deal to me. I blame the liberal media for jacking up unrest at home

Good one Never trust the media!

 

[ummmm........]

I'm glad you appreciated it, but I didn't really mean it to be political. Just making a joke.

 

[player1 fanatic]

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