FA discussion: What do do about Russia

[DaveShack]

Under what conditions do we want peace with Russia? Obviously we want to wait until any MA's are fulfilled first. We don't have any, so that's pretty straightforward. Second, any MPP's we're in with nations at war with Russia should end, so further conflict won't trigger us back into the war. There are two turns left on France, America, and Aztecs, so we can't safely accept peace for 3 turns.

What can we gain at peace with Russia? Do they have anything to trade that we want? Alive, do they balance against our enemies? Are our relations still good enough that they might come over to our side -- or can we poison Russia's relationship with China enough that they will come to us as the lesser of evils??

For that matter, do we want peace at all, or do we want to stay at war? If war, what are the diplomatic objectives? We can use Russia as a pawn in the diplomatic chess game, as a common enemy that to unite with our friends against. We can go on the offensive and then redraw the map by gifting our conquests to our friends.

 

[DaveShack]

oops, bonehead mistake Mods please move to citizens forum.

Done.

 

[Provolution]

Redraw the map, we have not done that yet, and that may be a very interesting political debate for the diplomatic victory, and be a compromise of the honorable/politcally correct and the pragmatic/militaristic wing. I think a redrawing of the map is what this game needs to get real interesting strategic options on the table for FA.

 

[GenMarshall]

I beleve we can try to get something from the Russians in exchange for peace.

 

[Provolution]

Yes, their lives.

 

[DaveShack]

Surely someone else must have an opinion on this...

 

[Chieftess]

Peace for whatever they'll give us after the MPPs expire.

 

[Ginger_Ale]

Exactly..wait the MPPs to end, sign peace ASAP. After all, we are going for a Diplomatic victory (let's get the game over with!).

 

[classical_hero]

Take what ever cities we can and then sue for peace.

 

[Provolution]

Exterminate Russia, and peace comes when we want to. No need to delay the inevitable.
For the politically correct, call it national euthanasia if you prefer.

 

[mhcarver]

wait for our protection pacts to end and sign the best peace deal we can get

 

[Nobody]

i think we should cut our mpp's and the peace, that will also make sure we dont get involved in the franco-babylon war

 

[Sir Donald III]

It all depends on how badly we want a Diplo Victory.

If we want Diplo really badly, then let's just eliminate a vote right here.

If we're leaning Histo, then agree to terms. Once the Northern 3 cities of Russia's Homeland are American (let Russia keep St. Pete in this case) and India is split between us and China.

And, either way, let the Franco MPP expire at least, if not the other 2. I supported MPPs as a Deterence against Russia, thinking that they might leave us alone if we got off continent. Alas...

 

[Provolution]

I think we should finish off one Civ this game, and fate gave us Russia.
Let us act out Japanaticas dark militaristic-religious soul and hold a sermon over their smoking bones.

 

[Furiey]

Unless China makes peace with them, I think we will see the last of Russia fairly soon anyway. So let China wipe Russia out and affect their chances for the UN vote for doing that, hopefully they will even have an alliance going at the time. With that in mind we need to make sure that when the Russians are wiped out, we do not have any alliances going. So at some point before that and after all our alliances expire, we need to make peace for whatever we can get. Then we can decide what we are going to do with the cities.

 

[blackheart]

I think we should finish off one Civ this game, and fate gave us Russia.
Let us act out Japanaticas dark militaristic-religious soul and hold a sermon over their smoking bones.

Bloodthirsty eh? Being Militaristic and Religious doesn't make us genocidal.

Russia is already bound to be killed by China. Don't sign peace with Russia, it'll keep us on good terms with America, Aztec, and China as long as they are at war with Russia.