Failed to get a religion

[Keejteej]

So, the obvious question, which I cannot remember from civ V or if it is different here...If I capture an enemy holy city can I take over the religion and get the founder beliefs? Or do I suck it up and ignore religion as the map is good and I got a good start (well, if you ignore barbarians ravaging my capital, holy site and shrine whilst my army was away devouring Egypt!)

First time trying Emperor and damn those prophets flew away quick

Keejteej

 

[greygamer]

So, the obvious question, which I cannot remember from civ V or if it is different here...If I capture an enemy holy city can I take over the religion and get the founder beliefs? Or do I suck it up and ignore religion as the map is good and I got a good start (well, if you ignore barbarians ravaging my capital, holy site and shrine whilst my army was away devouring Egypt!)

First time trying Emperor and damn those prophets flew away quick

Keejteej

Only the religion founder gets those beliefs as far as I know.
To get a religion on the higher levels you need to focus on it early (Astrology then build Holy site - Shrine and start praying). It also helps if Arabia is not in your game and Kongo is.

 

[Keejteej]

Thanks, I did try to do so and was in place to get maybe 3rd prophet until my district was pillaged and coudl do nothing in time to avert it being at war too far away! Oh well, will make it my task to wreck every holy site! MWAHHAHA

 

[Stilgar08]

It's correct - If you don't get your prophet you are out of the religious VC and also you're out of the founder beliefs...
On a side note: Does anybody know if you play India: Is there any way to conveniently see which follower beliefs are active in which of your cities?
I fear I know the answer but...

 

[jeb1000]

Playing my second game - after tutorial. First game never did get to where I could get missionaries, etc. This game I am set about to make sure that didn't happen again - didn't help.

Have 5 cities of my own - just took a city/state. All 5 of my cities were converted before I gained the ability to build/buy missionaries, etc. and as I understand it, if I now do so, they will be of the new religion. So what reason would I have to do so?

We REALLY NEED somewhere to go to find a list to show what is needed to get what - a flow chart. I don't have a clue what I could have done to get missionaries sooner as I tried to make a point of doing everything that come up that had anything to do with religion. If just doesn't make sense that the can run all over your cities and your troops can't do a thing about it.

1- Question - I just took a city/state - what did I get for that? I did not but should I have pillgaed the tiles what would I have gotten.

2- Also, it came up, "war over" after I had killed last troop but I had not taken the city - is this now my city or do I need to do something else?

 

[Browd]

Taking a city-state gives you a city, nothing more. Whether that city is more valuable as your own city, or as a city-state where you have envoys providing certain benefits, is entirely up to you.

A city-state will automatically make peace (whether you like it or not) whenever its suzerain changes (either getting a new suzerain or just losing its suzerain). It's been reported as a bug, but until that changes, involuntary peace is a risk of any war with a CS.

As for your challenges getting a religion, I can't tell from your write-up what went awry. You don't state that you ever founded a religion -- you just state that your cities were converted to another religion, which certainly can happen. I see two possible scenarios here:

1. You did generate a Great Prophet and did found a religion. In that case, your religion should have appeared automatically in your capital and each other city that had a Holy Site when you founded your religion. But then another player may have came along and wiped out your religion by converting your cities to their religion, before you had a chance to build Shrines (allowing you to buy missionaries) or temples (allowing you to buy apostles and inquisitors). In that case, yes, you may be out of luck -- your religion is unlikely to reappear on its own (even in your holy city) and you can buy missionaries in your Shrine city, but they will have the other guy's religion, which is not helpful. You can try building Mahabodhi Temple, which will give you two free apostles that will have your religion, even if none of your cities still have your religion, and use them to reestablish your religion.

2. Your cities were converted to another religion before you were able to found a religion. You have one or more Holy Sites up and running, and one or more has a Shrine, so you can buy missionaries, but they will have the other guy's religion, which is not helpful. Check the religion screen to see if you can still found a religion -- the number of permitted religions on a map is equal to half the number of default civs on the map, plus 1 (so, e.g., 5 religions on a standard map (default 8 civs)). if all Great Prophets are gone, you can't found a religion at all -- you were just too late. If, however, another Great Prophet can be recruited and another religion founded, then you can still found your religion and it should automatically become the majority religion in your Holy City (where the Great Prophet is used) and each other city that has a Holy Site.

 

[Bobafett0610]

Only the religion founder gets those beliefs as far as I know.
To get a religion on the higher levels you need to focus on it early (Astrology then build Holy site - Shrine and start praying). It also helps if Arabia is not in your game and Kongo is.

This is not entirely true. While the civ help says that the founder believes apply only to the civilization that founded the religion...I've noticed that it is for some founder beliefs and not all. For example, I've noticed that I do not get the benefit of +2 gold per city unless I founded the religion and took that founder belief. On the other hand, the belief that gives food from shrines and temples is also filed under founder belief....yet if you haven't founded the religion you still get the food bonus from shrines and temples...even tough it is listed as a founder belief and should only apply to the civ that founded it. It basically becomes a game of hit or miss....some founder beliefs actually effect all civs that have the majority religion...other founder beliefs only affect the civ that founded the religion...yet it is not clearly listed.

 

[jeb1000]

Tks, Bob and Browd - I don't know enough about the game at this point to really understand why I couldn't get to missionaries but I had built shrines and later temples and kept clicking on the one at the bottom of the select panel about religion. But it seems strange that one can't kill missionaries, etc with troops.

Browd, if the city you take is yours, why can't you build things, etc just like a "normal" city? I lost several troops and get nothing for it. What if I pillage the cities tiles, does that give me anything?

After taking a city/state I went to war with Germany - almost took one of his cities and he sued for peace.

Question, I am playing Rome this game. The opening says my cities automatically gets a Monument but I have had to buy them.

 

[Browd]

Starting with the last one, if you have to build monuments as Rome, you have a bugged game. Are you playing with any mods? If so, they may be the source of the problem. If you are not playing with mods, you should revalidate your game files - go to your Steam library, right click Civ VI, choose Properties, and then the Local Files Tab. In that tab, select "Verify Integrity of Game Cache" -- it will recheck all of your game files and re-download any files that are corrupted or changed. Recommend re-validating until no more files are downloaded.

 

[jeb1000]

Tks, Browd - new to this, downloaded from Steam and wouldn't have a clue how to get to mods.

Will give this a try - this might solve my sound problems as well. - jb

 

[jeb1000]

browd, can't find a way to get to my library - signed into my account, can get to support but can't find a way to get to the library.

 

[callan]

 

[jeb1000]

That was not what I saw after I signed in - when I signed in, it would not accept the password I had written down so changed it. Signed in without a problem.

Now - it will not accept the password and the user name I just used a couple of hrs ago. And when I go to have them sent to me it says they don't have my email address either.

I have the email they just sent to me to change the password. What the heck is going on with these people?

Just shut down the game I was on - had been attacking one of the civ's cities with 6 canons. It had a troop base and I could not get the swordsman in the city or the archer in base below 39 no matter how many times I shot them. So brought in a ranger to see if that would help but just as he got within range, a city barrier was outlined around the city and I could no longer shoot at it. What happened here?

 

[ShinigamiKenji]

Probably that's a bugged game. I'd say to try revalidating the game cache, but I don't know what went awry with your Steam.

That said, where are you seeing the 39? Try uploading a screenshot if you still can.

 

[jeb1000]

Downloaded Stream again and was able to follow Dowld's directions - will play later to see if it fixed the problems but may not know until the next game.

Shing, the 39 is the count down of strength of the unit being attacked - after I had been attacking it dropped to 39. After every turn it would be back to 40 and I attack with canon and it would drop to 39 but not below no matter how many canon shots I take. The tag shows "attack ineffective" after the first one of every round.

And then I ran into the problem above - a city outline like the when you first settle a city shows up, it was not there before, was outlined around the city and I could no longer shoot at it or go into that outline. Do you only have X amount of turns to take a city?

 

[ShinigamiKenji]

That's very strange. Once I've spent ~20 turns shooting down a city with an Archer because my melee units were quite far away fighting someone else, so there's no turn limit. I think it was a bug.

 

[jeb1000]

I downloaded Stream again and followed Browd's info and could declare war against the city/state again but still could not kill it or it's barracks so just pillaged everything and will try another one and see if I have the same problem. Maybe the changes - if any - by doing the above may not take affect until I start a new game.

 

[callan]

Dude, you've been told like 3 times that you need to use a melee unit to move into the city once you have reduced it's health. You can't just shoot it indefintely.