Right now, we're getting dangerously close to domination (not sure how far away). Should we abandon a few frontier cultural improvements? (i.e., Gordium). Should we stop building culture in those north-eastern 2 cities?
Fending off domination....
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classical_hero
In whom I trust
According to Civassist, we are one tile away from the Domination limit. So we should sell all our cultural buildings in Gordium and build no more culture.
I'd say hold the choke with a line of defenders and abandon Gordium and possibly one other. Let's aim for 10-15 tiles of buffer in case the game includes more tiles than CivAssist does in the calculation.
Furiey
No Longer Just Lurking
We are 1 tile from the Domination Limit, 2 tiles from winning by Domination. Both CivAssist and CRpSuite agree on this. There's no point in going for a 10-15 tile buffer as we have passed that already and would have won by now!
Apart from Gordium, with the territory we have there is only one coastal tile we have not claimed (sea and ocean don't count), that is 3SE of Persepolis. Persepolis will expand and claim that tile in 3 turns. Arbela would also claim it when it expands in 14. This is OK, we will then be at the Domination Limit, but not past it.
With the territory we have, the only other area where we will gain tiles is Gordium, which can gain both land and coastal tiles. Any expansion here will immediately send us over the limit by several tiles.
And Gordium also expands in 3 turns
We must not let this happen (unless we want to win by domination of course).
Selling all cultural improvements in Gordium will stop the expansion and keep us at the domination limit. We can then fill in our territory with more cities, safe in the knowledge that we have already claimed all the tiles we can.
None of the other cities are able to claim any more tiles that count towards domination.
Summary: sell Gordium improvements.
Apart from Gordium, with the territory we have there is only one coastal tile we have not claimed (sea and ocean don't count), that is 3SE of Persepolis. Persepolis will expand and claim that tile in 3 turns. Arbela would also claim it when it expands in 14. This is OK, we will then be at the Domination Limit, but not past it.
With the territory we have, the only other area where we will gain tiles is Gordium, which can gain both land and coastal tiles. Any expansion here will immediately send us over the limit by several tiles.
And Gordium also expands in 3 turns
We must not let this happen (unless we want to win by domination of course).
Selling all cultural improvements in Gordium will stop the expansion and keep us at the domination limit. We can then fill in our territory with more cities, safe in the knowledge that we have already claimed all the tiles we can.
None of the other cities are able to claim any more tiles that count towards domination.
Summary: sell Gordium improvements.
RegentMan
Deity
I was just thinking about this while gathering my screenshots. Sell the library and temple in Gordium.
zyxy
Warmongering Fool
Ditto Furiey.
Question: do we lose the culture points accumulated in Gordium if we sell the cultural improvements?
Did we also build a temple in Gordium after the library? Pretty silly, we knew for a long time it would push us over the domination limit.
Question: do we lose the culture points accumulated in Gordium if we sell the cultural improvements?
Did we also build a temple in Gordium after the library? Pretty silly, we knew for a long time it would push us over the domination limit.
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
I beleve we do not lose culture points accumulated in any city if you sell cultural improvements.zyxy said:
Stuck_as_a_Mac
Aptenodytes forsteri
Get rid of the culture there. Get rid of any culture that could affect getting that one tile. Yeah, it;s odd to hear us say that, but we've gotta.
SaaM
SaaM
Kentharu
Zebra Commander
to put it bluntly forget the the culture victory if domination is 3 turns away then why not get it?... and anothering that maybe off topic (i couldn't find any other thread)what about the new civ? civ 4 coming out are we going to switch and when? im getting it when it comes out but any others?
greekguy
Missed the Boat
Kentharu said:
we're probably going to squeeze in one more DG before switching over to Civ4, but i'm not positive.
Kentharu said:
1 - The people voted for culture.
2 - What would we do? Most people here don't even know what's in Civ4 yet aside from what's been released. There may be some things that aren't known yet which could have a major impact on the Civ4 Demogame. (one thing's for sure... the naming convention will have to be C4DG#_....). We'll also switch to a Civ3 demogame a few months after the release (probably February) just to give players time to buy the game, and get used to playing it. (It gives them atleast a month).
Donovan Zoi
The Return
If we are going for drastic countermeasures, I say we gift a bunch of the cities we took. As usual, we got a bit too greedy. The people voted for Culture, yet the situation only raises concern when we have to give away culture for the preferred victory! 
So now the plan of our leaders is to take away the foundations of our neighborhoods: our libraries, our temples! For shame! 
Of course, this game has veered away from its original intent, which was to try and run a nation based on aesthetic values and dilemmas such as this. And since debate here has just degenerated to just another strategic game of civ (without any regard for the imagnary citizens), I would just say forget about the peoples' wishes and win the game. They are misrepresented by either choice.
So now the plan of our leaders is to take away the foundations of our neighborhoods: our libraries, our temples! For shame! Of course, this game has veered away from its original intent, which was to try and run a nation based on aesthetic values and dilemmas such as this. And since debate here has just degenerated to just another strategic game of civ (without any regard for the imagnary citizens), I would just say forget about the peoples' wishes and win the game. They are misrepresented by either choice.
Kentharu
Zebra Commander
can we change the victory? take another vote and all that
Double Stack
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Kentharu said:
I already made a poll on that last week. Majority want to win by culture so we going to do that.
Now we have a delima. The latest poll seems to indicate that the people don't want to sell the cultural buildings that will push us over domination limit.
"Cultural Domination"... Maybe we can invent a victory condition.
"Cultural Domination"... Maybe we can invent a victory condition.
zyxy
Warmongering Fool
I did not vote in that poll (yet). And maybe I should not. I think this is extremely funny - and quite telling, and a little bit sad.
Furiey
No Longer Just Lurking
If we don't sell the improvements our only other option is to abandon or gift a city otherwise we'll win by Domination in 3 turns. Previously the complaint has been not enough strategic thinking, now we are following the strategy we have followed from the start to reach the domination limit, ICS and rush culture. We have done the first, nearly completed the second and are well on our way to doing the third. All it needs is a little adjustment on the edges to not exceed domination, something we knew may well be needed as Gordium was always the approximate target. So we have followed our strategy for once and now we are about to achieve it want to throw it out the window. We might as well have never bothered with a strategy at all. As zyxy said: sad.
classical_hero
In whom I trust
I am frustrated with all this repolling. We have set out from the beginning that we were going to aim for a Cultural victory. We should stay with what we have decided already.zyxy said:
Donovan Zoi
The Return
Chieftess said:
OK, people. Apparently it is "sad" of me to think that we as a government should care about the people that we inherited from other nations. Yet I find the above quite telling.
Our own President is not even sure how close to the domination limit we are! What if we were to inadvertently win the game by Domination based on her playing on too long? Who she be put through the ringer like I am right now for giving a [hoot] about our citizens?
I am sorry to have woken up those that did not prepare for this properly. We could have engaged in a small war once we neared the 130k limit, but instead we frontloaded our landgrab without considering the consequences. Is that my fault for bringing this up?
There are several forums here at CFC where you can play a game of civ for strategy and numbers only --- where you can pop-rush, starve or deny your citizens basic privledges --- but I'd like to think that we as a nation are better than that. This game is supposed to be different.
Why don't we give away some of our remote holdings, perhaps back to the civ we took it from (if that situation exists, and looking at our current President, I doubt it) to lessen the number of tiles for now. Let's come up some sort of real world solution rather that merely toggling the game parameters. We are a Democaracy, not the GOTM.
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