First Civfanatica Summit

[Xen]

The NRI republic wishes to invite all nations currentlly residing in our region to cast their opinions on the soon to be formed proposal by the NRI; the common fanatican defence force-

The defence force has only one goal in mind: the defence of all in region civfanatica countries, pricipalities, or allies of a nation residing in our region WILL NOT be aided, only if their is an invasion of mother fanatica will the defence force be obligated to any sort of duty

-OOC; it should be added that this is a purley RP element of Civfanatica, as no "real" military exists in nation states, rather just take a look at the forums and you'll see a great many RP wars staged

The only requirments thus far thought by the NRI republic senate are;

- ever nation in Civfantica use the same ammunition types, so that ammuniton may be shared in event of attack

-every nation "loan" a portion of its military every year the defense force

-all military detachments sent to the force are equal to every other nations, therfore the smallest country is the deciding factor in numbers

- every (real time month, dont know what that might translate into nation states) the fanatican nations decide on what proportion of its military should be bestowed upon the defence force, with the lowest proportion being 1/10, and the highest 1/3

-if made a resolution, if the word would apply, it would stay an "open vote"; meaning that new countries coming in to civfantica, who have established them selves in these forums can vote, and nations who voted one way may change their vote one month after the initial casting, and all further changes of vote

the NRI wishes to have all in region nations give thier opinions on the possible proposal; and any comments/suggestions, or revisons, and additions are welcomed, we want this resolution to affect the opinons of the region, and we are happy to change certain, if not all points to some extent if it will mean the propoasl should pass

 

[Plexus]

Hyakujunou refuses to give her arms to this organization. We will not comply with your requests.

 

[MHSoft]

If you intend to submit this as a general (section D) resolution, the Federal Empire would probably have to rule this unconstitutional:

From Section A of the Treaty Of Civfanatica:
3) This constitution may never have the powers to interfere with the political, economic or social running of any member country.

If you wanted the resolution to pass you would need to first get through a constitutional resolution, ammending the above.

Your other option would be to make contributions voluntary, which the Federal Empire would rule to be 'in order'.

 

[Xen]

Hyakujunou, please, tell us why you are willing to, and what might be done to alieviate the problem

Federal Empire, The NRI republic has started this summit for those very reasons to decide if this is to be compulsary or not, and to decide, and refine the specifics more before a formal proposal is made, but it seems that not lack of support will bury this proposal, but rather lack of interest...

*edited for crap-tacular spelling

 

[Plexus]

I wish to be able to decide when I want to aide Civfanatica or not. My proud leonian kingdom shall not bow down before anyone but her self.

 

[Xen]

And that is why the Greek city states fell to Macedon, and Rome, because they wanted to decide for them selves when it was best to aid the other nation in thiere region for defence, and look what happend, agresive forign powers, with larger arimies than several city states forces combined, and more geard towards conquest then the city states(and so thiere generals had more experience in conducting offensive movements) cmae in and quased the soverinity of all, not just the active defenders, the NRI republic dose not want to see this happent to Civfanatica

 

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Xen
The defence force has only one goal in mind: the defence of all in region civfanatica countries, pricipalities, or allies of a nation residing in our region WILL NOT be aided, only if their is an invasion of mother fanatica will the defence force be obligated to any sort of duty

Total Khaos is not sure on this point. We would like to know why the defence force will only act if Civfanatica itself was invaded. Would it not make more sense for it to assist in the defence of any participating countries? Possibly if the country can't get enough defence from anywhere else?

 

[Xen]

The treaty it self applies only to civfanatican nations, the motheland is the region itself, not just the primary continent.

 

[Thrawn]

So they will defend any region that is under attack and has forces in the defense force?

 

[Thrawn]

And what ammunition type would be used as standard for all civfanatican countries?

 

[MajorGeneral2]

Regarding the constitutional problem, would it still be a problem if we made it a voluntary "Mini-UN" of sorts, like Thrawn suggests? That sounds like the best way to go.
Also, if we standardize ammunition, would we also have to standardize arms? This would have a negative impact, because some nations can't afford the most modern equipment, while it would hold wealthier countries back. Standardize ammo for this organization, but not the whole region!

 

[Xen]

@ Thrawn post A- again, only civfanatica will be affected THIS IS FOR NO OTHER REGIONS- sorry to shout, but that dosent seem to be getting through

@ Thrawn post B- that would be decided on by the U.N deligate, a committee apointed by the deligate, or by a generale vote

@ MajorGeneral2 post-
section A- this will not spread to other regions, that might get us involved in forign conflicts we dont want to be in, therefore, let us ensure the protection of our own region, and let each country choose there forign policy as they like, only if a country in our own region is invaded will the force act

section B- The force would have have arms that, if a specific country is not able to pay for, the NRI republic will, INITIALLY pay for, however this is not a long term solution, and eventualley, perhaps a slight tak increase on regional trade tariffs, and trans regional tariffs might be approved to help balence out arms funds

 

[Xen]

the first point in the proposal might be changed however, as your point, MajorGeneral2, is clear

 

[Thrawn]

I think I meant nation, not region. As in the defense force defending any other nation in civfanatica that is under attack. Just the way I read it, nations will only recieve defense if it is the whole of civfanatica that is getting invaded. Maybe I just read it wrong.

 

[Xen]

I can understand how people might think that, I have been stressing that the treaty is for the region not just nations who wish to join, but any nation in civfanatica that is attacked will be veiwed as hostiliy toward the entire region, and thus must be repulsed, but yes the force is all for defending an individula nation in our egion, and not a ally/principality/colony/vassal state there of.