Forbidden Palace benefit?

[rschissler]

How do you calculate the benefits of reduced maintenance from the Forbidden Palace, or is it just worthwhile period?

The farther away from your Capitol, obviously is more beneficial, but the tradeoff is likely building it in a less developed city, so it would take longer to build and you'd miss out on the earlier benefits from building it quicker in a more developed city closer to your Capitol.

So, how do you judge this, as to when and where to build the Forbidden Palace?

 

[Sonnybonds]

No idea, I never build the building. lol

 

[Starch]

I build them far from the capitol and have my workers clean the around the city to get the build bonus. (Forests, not Jungles)

 

[lordqarlyn]

I play on Terra maps often, so I build it on the "new world" continent. That strategy, it really pays off. And as Starch points out, chopping trees gets the job done faster.

 

[grommit5]

The further from your capitol the more benefit you realize. If its on a dufferent island/ continent even better. You can save yourself a whole lot of gold with the reduced maintenance. CHOP! CHOP! CHOP! Suddenly its almost like having two capitols.

 

[JonBrave]

I wish you guys would learn the difference between capitol & capital...

 

[skywise]

Well, if you are concerned about putting off building essential buildings in cities distant from the capital, then build those buildings first, then build the Forbidden Palace.

Also, they could be using Capitol properly (as capitol refers specifically to the government buildings) - which would probably include a Forbidden Palace. Capital refers to the city itself.

 

[lordqarlyn]

I wish you guys would learn the difference between capitol & capital...

My understanding; "capitol" refers to your capitol city. "capital" generally means money or assets when used in a business context. Otherwise it can mean big-ticket items - such as "capital ships".

 

[grommit5]

i can't get concerned over the spelling if the meaning is clear and i think it was.

 

[Mesousa]

Definitions of capital and capitol:

Spoiler :

cap·i·tal [kap-i-tl]
–noun
1. the city or town that is the official seat of government in a country, state, etc.: Tokyo is the capital of Japan.
2. a city regarded as being of special eminence in some field of activity: New York is the dance capital of the world.
3. capital letter.
4. the wealth, whether in money or property, owned or employed in business by an individual, firm, corporation, etc.
5. an accumulated stock of such wealth.
6. any form of wealth employed or capable of being employed in the production of more wealth.
7. Accounting. a. assets remaining after deduction of liabilities; the net worth of a business.
b. the ownership interest in a business.

8. any source of profit, advantage, power, etc.; asset: His indefatigable drive is his greatest capital.
9. capitalists as a group or class (distinguished from labor): High taxation has reduced the spending power of capital.

–adjective
10. pertaining to financial capital: capital stock.
11. principal; highly important: This guide offers suggestions of capital interest to travelers.
12. chief, esp. as being the official seat of government of a country, state, etc.: the capital city of France.
13. excellent or first-rate: a capital hotel; a capital fellow.
14. capital letter.
15. involving the loss of life: capital punishment.
16. punishable by death: a capital crime; a capital offender.
17. fatal; extremely serious: a capital error.

[Origin: 1175&#8211;1225; ME; (adj.) (< AF) < L capit&#257;lis of the head (capit-, s. of caput head, + -&#257;lis -al1); (n.) < ML capit&#257;le wealth, n. use of neut. of capit&#257;lis (adj.)]

Cap·i·tol [kap-i-tl]
&#8211;noun
1. the building in Washington, D.C., used by the Congress of the U.S. for its sessions.
2. (often lowercase) a building occupied by a state legislature.
3. the ancient temple of Jupiter at Rome, on the Capitoline.
4. the Capitoline.

[Origin: 1690&#8211;1700, Americanism; < L capit&#333;lium temple of Jupiter on Capitoline hill, Rome, taken to be a derivative of caput head; r. ME capitolie < ONF]

http://dictionary.reference.com/

 

[Refar]

How does this help with the discussion at hand ?

I do not usually have a problem with people playing "Spelling Police", but has it to be a screen filling post, witout any relevance to the question asked ?!

 

[Mesousa]

Well, it was relevant to the last four posts before it at least. And it might help settle that debate that keeps popping up. Your post on the other hand, served no purpose other than playing forum police, didn't have any relevance to the original question either, and didn't help with any discussion, did it? Just like mine now.

I'll edit it so it won't fill your screen anymore.

 

[bestbrian]

Now that we've (hopefully) settled the spelling issues (keeping in mind that many posters are not native English speakers), does anyone know the distance effected by the benfits of FP, Versailles, or Palace? Say, for the sake of argument that the Palace and FP effect an area at a 20 tile distance then the optimal placement for FP would be about 40 tiles from the Palace. Does anyone know the actual numbers offhand?

 

[Polobo]

Assuming distance effects are infinite and ignore cultural boundaries:

1) Draw a box around your entire empire, touching the furthest most point in all four directions. I will assume your empire is wider than it is tall.

2) Divide your box in half vertcally (draw a line through the middle north to south). You now have two boxes next to each other.

3) Divide each of these boxes in half again, north to south. You now have 4 boxes.

4) Remove the line you drew in step #2, we now have 3 boxes.

5) Draw a line, east to west, through the middle of all three boxes. You now have 6 boxes and 2 point where the lines inside the big box intersect.

6) The city nearest those two intersections represent the (mostly) optimal placement for the Palace and FP.

*** HOWEVER, depending on the actual distribution of your cities, it is possible that alternate placements will give better results BUT they will be much harder to figure out (it is quite possible to create an algorithm that will solve this problem for a given set of cities but I haven't written it yet, if someone else has maybe they would share...). Basically, if the cities are pretty evenly spread out within the boxes (the big one and the first pair, divided vertically) then the above should work OK. Otherwise, if you have more cities closer to one of the cities, or a city really far out, you may actually want to revise the initial box so it better surrounds the majority of your cities and forget about the outliers.

 

[Noobzor]

Refrain from posting smart-ass remarks, if you don't have constructive advice in mind move on, you dont need to the the forum's spellchecker.

Versailles and Forbiden Palace are worth it both since by the time they're built your army's size should be pretty big and it's most likely sucking on your cash reserves. Every penny counts.