FS2- The Soviet Union
- Thread starter Farae
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ThERat
Deity
maybe you could elaborate why we should attack them first? During your turnset you stated that you left a stack near Monte since we should hit him. Suddenly now it is China and nobody else. Do you know that they are very strong and our puny empire won't really get at them at the moment. However, we can acquire some Greek land first, develop it and then take on China.Farae said:
This SG is not going well due to a fuzzy strategy. We won't get anywhere if we continue this way.
And what do you mean by whoever takes the mantle. Maybe we could use a roster for this
Farae
JesusonEez
Strauss
Therat - just played
Pvblivs - up
S.ilver reserve
Pvblivs
Scriptor
Got it. Will play this evening.
We should grab what's best (nothing more) from Greece first. Agreed here.
A strong buildup shouldn't last too long. If we're too weak, we should draw some other into this war. Maybe our future ally? Who could this be?
We should grab what's best (nothing more) from Greece first. Agreed here.
A strong buildup shouldn't last too long. If we're too weak, we should draw some other into this war. Maybe our future ally? Who could this be?
Rah!
What I meant is, that while I would like to direct us against China, it is always up to whome grabs the mantle next.
Pvblivs has reminded me that China is too powerful for us to tackle. Thus, we must nab some good cities from the Aztecs.
Why the Aztecs? Well, there is that unused stack that we need, though we CANNOT rely soley on it to wipe out the entire Aztec nation (collateral damage is not the stack's friend). Expanding south will give our soldiers valuable experience and grant our empire valuable resources, thus we can attack China later on with a full army to wipe them out.
As for allies, you will have to experiment and see which nations would be willing to war with China. Please only consider allies that are actually on our continent and are powerful enough to survive (but not powerful enough to conquer all China, we have to win by Domination after all!)
Lastly, I would like to remind you of the variant rules regarding civics, if we have unlocked Nationhood by now, we must switch to it (good idea anyways, Nationhood is pretty good for war).
What I meant is, that while I would like to direct us against China, it is always up to whome grabs the mantle next.
Pvblivs has reminded me that China is too powerful for us to tackle. Thus, we must nab some good cities from the Aztecs.
Why the Aztecs? Well, there is that unused stack that we need, though we CANNOT rely soley on it to wipe out the entire Aztec nation (collateral damage is not the stack's friend). Expanding south will give our soldiers valuable experience and grant our empire valuable resources, thus we can attack China later on with a full army to wipe them out.
As for allies, you will have to experiment and see which nations would be willing to war with China. Please only consider allies that are actually on our continent and are powerful enough to survive (but not powerful enough to conquer all China, we have to win by Domination after all!)
Lastly, I would like to remind you of the variant rules regarding civics, if we have unlocked Nationhood by now, we must switch to it (good idea anyways, Nationhood is pretty good for war).
Pvblivs
Scriptor
Goal:
Build up our empire for a war in the north.
I was rather shocked of our standing. Being position 4 with military we have to gain a lot before we're strong enough for a war.
Pree-turn:
Trade sheep to Cyrus for 9 gpt. We need more money and have enough trade goods.
I lower the tech rate to 70%. We prepare for a war here with Cossacks. We already could have Cossacks, right? So we need money to upgrade our outdated stuff.
I micromanage Novgorod to build the West Point in 9 instead of 11 turns, accepting a little starvation.
1705 (1)
Kamengorsk builds Worker, starts on Cossack.
1710 (2)
Trade Dyes to Cyrus as he's offering Pigs. Please cancel this deal in the next turns as it may solve issues for the AI making it even stronger. But we want to improve our relations with every potential ally. And that is all except Mao, Monte, Alex and FDR. And that's not many.
Moscow builds Cossack and starts a cheap Bank. (just 2 turns)
Our peace treaty with Mao ends. We have to be cautious.
1720 (4)
Moscow builds Bank, starts Cossack.
Leningrad finishes Universaty, starts Cossack.
Furgalloregrad builds Library, starts Forge.
Vladikafkaz builds Library, starts Forge.
1725 (5)
For 10 gold and Corporation and Military Tradition.
1730 (6)
Moscow builds Cossack, starts Cossack.
Stalingrad builds Courthouse, starts Forge.
Kamengorsk builds Cossack, starts Cossack.
Macau builds Library, starts Grenadier.
1735 (7)
Moscow builds Cossack, starts Cossack.
1740 (8)
Cyrus is demanding Military Tradition from us. And he's not even pleased with us. I say no!
Leningrad builds Cossack, starts Grenadier.
We discover Scientific Method and go for Replaceble Parts.
1745 (9)
Monte dials up and demands us to declare against Frederick. Nope, buddy!
Moscow builds Cossack, starts Cossack.
Tlaxcala builds Library, starts Musketman.
1750 (10)
MAO DECLARES WAR AGAIN!
Novgorod builds West Point, starts Cossack.
I built up a nice little stack near Pharsalos. We do control 13 Cossacks but little other troups now. I already moved them south to China and destroyed 3 knights.
For the next turns: The chinese for sure have a lot of military of cannons, knights and grenadiers. Do not risk losses with our Cossacks but attack only when our troops cannot be reached by enemy stacks or when our cities are in serious danger. Furthermore protect against pillaging more seriously.
We're now 2nd in military. Behind China by far! So this is our chance to turn them down. But keep away of their territory where they're they've fastness and sight. This war will be on our earth as long as they have enough power.
The revenge will be ours. Watch out Mao, traitor!
Build up our empire for a war in the north.
I was rather shocked of our standing. Being position 4 with military we have to gain a lot before we're strong enough for a war.
Pree-turn:
Trade sheep to Cyrus for 9 gpt. We need more money and have enough trade goods.
I lower the tech rate to 70%. We prepare for a war here with Cossacks. We already could have Cossacks, right? So we need money to upgrade our outdated stuff.
I micromanage Novgorod to build the West Point in 9 instead of 11 turns, accepting a little starvation.
1705 (1)
Kamengorsk builds Worker, starts on Cossack.
1710 (2)
Trade Dyes to Cyrus as he's offering Pigs. Please cancel this deal in the next turns as it may solve issues for the AI making it even stronger. But we want to improve our relations with every potential ally. And that is all except Mao, Monte, Alex and FDR. And that's not many.
Moscow builds Cossack and starts a cheap Bank. (just 2 turns)
Our peace treaty with Mao ends. We have to be cautious.
1720 (4)
Moscow builds Bank, starts Cossack.
Leningrad finishes Universaty, starts Cossack.
Furgalloregrad builds Library, starts Forge.
Vladikafkaz builds Library, starts Forge.
1725 (5)
For 10 gold and Corporation and Military Tradition.
1730 (6)
Moscow builds Cossack, starts Cossack.
Stalingrad builds Courthouse, starts Forge.
Kamengorsk builds Cossack, starts Cossack.
Macau builds Library, starts Grenadier.
1735 (7)
Moscow builds Cossack, starts Cossack.
1740 (8)
Cyrus is demanding Military Tradition from us. And he's not even pleased with us. I say no!
Leningrad builds Cossack, starts Grenadier.
We discover Scientific Method and go for Replaceble Parts.
1745 (9)
Monte dials up and demands us to declare against Frederick. Nope, buddy!
Moscow builds Cossack, starts Cossack.
Tlaxcala builds Library, starts Musketman.
1750 (10)
MAO DECLARES WAR AGAIN!
Novgorod builds West Point, starts Cossack.
I built up a nice little stack near Pharsalos. We do control 13 Cossacks but little other troups now. I already moved them south to China and destroyed 3 knights.
For the next turns: The chinese for sure have a lot of military of cannons, knights and grenadiers. Do not risk losses with our Cossacks but attack only when our troops cannot be reached by enemy stacks or when our cities are in serious danger. Furthermore protect against pillaging more seriously.
We're now 2nd in military. Behind China by far! So this is our chance to turn them down. But keep away of their territory where they're they've fastness and sight. This war will be on our earth as long as they have enough power.
The revenge will be ours. Watch out Mao, traitor!
ThERat
Deity
well, as Farae said China, go for China.
you broke the rules by building a bank in Moscow, now since buildings can't be sold in Civ4, what are we going to do?
M60A3TTS
Ex-treadhead
Farae said:
It's a little tougher without a save posted.
Pvblivs
Scriptor
Sh!t!!! I would even have built Wall Street if I could. You see now how dangerous Capitalism is to corrupt even a noble Sovjet government 
Pvblivs
Scriptor
View attachment FS2 AD-1750.zip
As for the bank I have to state that we should be punished somehow. We could open Moscow to be captured and hope the bank is destroyed
Don't kill me 
It's a pity: We're no1 in commerce and for sure it's the only thing we really perform (except Cossacks), all other, even production is crap. Look at the stats.
No reason to build a bank though. We deserve to be crushed by China. For sure Mao knew I was a corrupt leader and so attacked us. He realized we're no true commies
But now we should observe wether he has banks. For sure he has. Mao, you traitor. We're coming after you!
As for the bank I have to state that we should be punished somehow. We could open Moscow to be captured and hope the bank is destroyed
Don't kill me It's a pity: We're no1 in commerce and for sure it's the only thing we really perform (except Cossacks), all other, even production is crap. Look at the stats.No reason to build a bank though. We deserve to be crushed by China. For sure Mao knew I was a corrupt leader and so attacked us. He realized we're no true commies
But now we should observe wether he has banks. For sure he has. Mao, you traitor. We're coming after you!
JesusOnEez
Emperor
This game is tough enough as it is without giving cities away!!! We could knock culture up in the city to offset the commerce bought in by the bank so it hasn't actually made us financially better off...
Pvblivs
Scriptor
You mean extra commerce has to be reinvested into culture? I think this to be good. I thought about it but I think that Moscow has no profit from this so we could do this. Add some artists for some cottages...
ThERat
Deity
Farae said:
well, it does help to read your own SG's thread
HOM said:
JesusOnEez
Emperor
Bloody parents...always getting in the way of quality gaming time. Luckily I'm old enough to do what a bloody well like.
Well, until my wife yells at me for playing games when there are jobs to be done around the house.
Ahem...
Well, until my wife yells at me for playing games when there are jobs to be done around the house.
Ahem...
Pvblivs
Scriptor
So ... if I may interrupt this solemn silence ...
When will there be the next save?
When will there be the next save?
FS2-1795-The Second War of the East
Time for war!
Turn 1- 1750 AD
Eh, not much to report, but those pillagers you mentioned near Macau are gone. We crushed all forces they sent our way with the mighty Cossack! Long live the Soviet Empire!
Added in later: I did not notice a group of pillagers farther to the East, but they were dealt with after some minor damage.
Turn 2- 1755 AD
Good God! Mao is throwing everything he's got at us! Time to throw it back! With no losses at all, our Cossacks destroyed about 5 Knights, a catapult, a cannon, and the eastern pillagers! Macau is quite secure now, but I am worried about a small force traversing through Greek territory to raid the northern regions.
Turn 3- 1760 AD
A small force in the north razed a mine down, but that was it. We lost a grenadier taking him down, but that region is a bit more secure now. Our cossacks and a siege force has begun to move into China, near Catherinagrad. The Chinese forces have been expelled from our lands, with the exception of this one, threatening little stack...
I have decided what I am going to do with the Cossacks. They are going to rush into the heart of China and pillage everything. We pillaged one farm, but that was it. China will be inable to produce anything. I am aware that this will make the land worth a lot less when it is ours, so I will pick my targets carefully and leave many improvements for us to benefit from.
Sadly, I noticed that ANOTHER force moved through Greece to attack us...
Turn 4- 1765 AD
Chinese casulaties of the hour: 2 Cho-Ko-Nu, 2 Chinese Grenadiers, a Chinese Musketman, 2 Chinese Pikeman, a Chinese Cannon, and a Chinese war elephant.
We also finished research on Replaceable Parts and began on Rifling.
Some cossacks have surrounded the Chinese northern expedition and the fates of the Chinese soldiers are sealed. Soon they will be dead and we can redirect our defense forces to guarding our lands and invading China.
Turn 5- 1770 AD
Ok…not as good this turn. We lost…three Cossacks, but took out most of their cannon and a few knights. We did not have good luck. I am redirecting all Cossacks I can find to push back the northern force, I may even bring the Catherinagrad Strike Force to bear in defense. Oi.
The Battle Rages
Turn 6- 1775 AD
Erm, another bad battle turn. We lost a grenadier and a Cossack, and they can now move north to Leningrad. However, I have decided to bring the Strike Force against them, though I know Therat will get mad that I failed to take Catherinagrad. Defense is more important than offense.
Also, we trade Military Tradition to Saladin for Astronomy as they are the exact same in beaker cost.
Turn 7- 1780 AD
Their northern forces continue to advance, but the stack has arrived. In response to the stack’s movement, several Chinese Knights moved to raid Macau, but our Cossacks and Pikemen have reduced them to two Knights inside Chinese borders. I am confident that we can expel these Chinese troops, and then someone more skilled at war can drive into the heart of China.
Turn 8- 1785 AD
Ok, their first invading stack in the north diminished into 2 musketmen and two cannon. Now, they have ANOTHER one coming in, but I raided it and took a grenadier down. They have cannon, and we need the cannon gone.
The Stack is in Moscow, resting up a bit, most of them will be healed to full health after a single turn of rest.
Turn 9- 1790 AD
The invading stack was destroyed, but we paid with damage to our Cossacks. No matter. The majority of cities in the main areas of the USSR are producing Cossacks. With a bit of undisturbed rest, the stack will be at full strength, minus one cat (sacrificed him for collateral damage.)
Forces along the Chinese border
Turn 10- 1795 AD
Well, of the four units at the border, all but the cannon are dead. For the moment, there do not appear to be any Chinese forces at the visible border. We have a brief respite now. My reign is over, I hope my successor will be able to improve on my poor efforts and actually drive China out of their own land.
Overview-
City of Catherinagrad
Though we lost a cat, the stack, which is in Moscow with two of its Cossacks nearby, should be able to take the city. Notice that it hasn’t been very assimilated yet (88% of the people are still Soviet). I am optimistic about the future. It will be arduous, but we should be able to break China.
Note the two above pictures are two of the three iron sources that China has.
Near Catherinagrad
Near Tanjin
Conquering Catherinagrad should regain that paticular iron source near it, and it should be possible to send a small raid to land near Tanjin and raze its iron mine. If we could get all three, their production of decent troops would be halted for a time.
May Catherine be with you all! (The State is the religion.
)
Time for war!
Turn 1- 1750 AD
Eh, not much to report, but those pillagers you mentioned near Macau are gone. We crushed all forces they sent our way with the mighty Cossack! Long live the Soviet Empire!
Added in later: I did not notice a group of pillagers farther to the East, but they were dealt with after some minor damage.
Turn 2- 1755 AD
Good God! Mao is throwing everything he's got at us! Time to throw it back! With no losses at all, our Cossacks destroyed about 5 Knights, a catapult, a cannon, and the eastern pillagers! Macau is quite secure now, but I am worried about a small force traversing through Greek territory to raid the northern regions.
Turn 3- 1760 AD
A small force in the north razed a mine down, but that was it. We lost a grenadier taking him down, but that region is a bit more secure now. Our cossacks and a siege force has begun to move into China, near Catherinagrad. The Chinese forces have been expelled from our lands, with the exception of this one, threatening little stack...
I have decided what I am going to do with the Cossacks. They are going to rush into the heart of China and pillage everything. We pillaged one farm, but that was it. China will be inable to produce anything. I am aware that this will make the land worth a lot less when it is ours, so I will pick my targets carefully and leave many improvements for us to benefit from.
Sadly, I noticed that ANOTHER force moved through Greece to attack us...
Turn 4- 1765 AD
Chinese casulaties of the hour: 2 Cho-Ko-Nu, 2 Chinese Grenadiers, a Chinese Musketman, 2 Chinese Pikeman, a Chinese Cannon, and a Chinese war elephant.
We also finished research on Replaceable Parts and began on Rifling.
Some cossacks have surrounded the Chinese northern expedition and the fates of the Chinese soldiers are sealed. Soon they will be dead and we can redirect our defense forces to guarding our lands and invading China.
Turn 5- 1770 AD
Ok…not as good this turn. We lost…three Cossacks, but took out most of their cannon and a few knights. We did not have good luck. I am redirecting all Cossacks I can find to push back the northern force, I may even bring the Catherinagrad Strike Force to bear in defense. Oi.
The Battle Rages
Turn 6- 1775 AD
Erm, another bad battle turn. We lost a grenadier and a Cossack, and they can now move north to Leningrad. However, I have decided to bring the Strike Force against them, though I know Therat will get mad that I failed to take Catherinagrad. Defense is more important than offense.
Also, we trade Military Tradition to Saladin for Astronomy as they are the exact same in beaker cost.
Turn 7- 1780 AD
Their northern forces continue to advance, but the stack has arrived. In response to the stack’s movement, several Chinese Knights moved to raid Macau, but our Cossacks and Pikemen have reduced them to two Knights inside Chinese borders. I am confident that we can expel these Chinese troops, and then someone more skilled at war can drive into the heart of China.
Turn 8- 1785 AD
Ok, their first invading stack in the north diminished into 2 musketmen and two cannon. Now, they have ANOTHER one coming in, but I raided it and took a grenadier down. They have cannon, and we need the cannon gone.
The Stack is in Moscow, resting up a bit, most of them will be healed to full health after a single turn of rest.
Turn 9- 1790 AD
The invading stack was destroyed, but we paid with damage to our Cossacks. No matter. The majority of cities in the main areas of the USSR are producing Cossacks. With a bit of undisturbed rest, the stack will be at full strength, minus one cat (sacrificed him for collateral damage.)
Forces along the Chinese border
Turn 10- 1795 AD
Well, of the four units at the border, all but the cannon are dead. For the moment, there do not appear to be any Chinese forces at the visible border. We have a brief respite now. My reign is over, I hope my successor will be able to improve on my poor efforts and actually drive China out of their own land.
Overview-
City of Catherinagrad
Though we lost a cat, the stack, which is in Moscow with two of its Cossacks nearby, should be able to take the city. Notice that it hasn’t been very assimilated yet (88% of the people are still Soviet). I am optimistic about the future. It will be arduous, but we should be able to break China.
Note the two above pictures are two of the three iron sources that China has.
Near Catherinagrad
Near Tanjin
Conquering Catherinagrad should regain that paticular iron source near it, and it should be possible to send a small raid to land near Tanjin and raze its iron mine. If we could get all three, their production of decent troops would be halted for a time.
May Catherine be with you all! (The State is the religion.
)
Pvblivs
Scriptor
Farae, all in all good turns. One more thing [tm]. Could you please check how China is doing in terms of power? When I checked last they were first by far (power graph).
As China will build more and more riflemen we'll not be able to conquer it with cossacks!
So it is time to pillage everything. Cossacks are strong and fast. If we destroy their improvements they at least will not be able to build up more military and most important: Lead the research.
I know this is the tactics of the weak. Though compared to China we'll remain weak.
Do not make peace until China is damaged seriously! Otherwise they will have the power to recover too soon and they'll attack us again as well.
Roster:
Farae - just played
JesusOnEez - up
Strauss
Therat
Pvblivs
As China will build more and more riflemen we'll not be able to conquer it with cossacks!
So it is time to pillage everything. Cossacks are strong and fast. If we destroy their improvements they at least will not be able to build up more military and most important: Lead the research.
I know this is the tactics of the weak. Though compared to China we'll remain weak.
Do not make peace until China is damaged seriously! Otherwise they will have the power to recover too soon and they'll attack us again as well.
Roster:
Farae - just played
JesusOnEez - up
Strauss
Therat
Pvblivs
