G-Major 36

[jesusin]

Hey. It was a empty table.

Do you always pick on empty tables? Do you have anything against them? Leave them alone

For a more serious answer, open the spoiler

Spoiler :

You shouldn't be reacting to the personal preferences of a single player.

Spoiler :

On the other hand, that single player should have kept his personal dislikings to himself

The Gauntlet is great as it is . Marathon opens up the possibility of an early rush being the winning game. At quick speed and with this opponents, maybe the lucky one who gets no wars would be the winner.

 

[jesusin]

As soon as I made a new trade, I have an additional "Peace Treaty" Trade with the other civ. And after 10 turns i got the message that the peace treaty is over. It seems to me that this is the same behaviour as after a war. And even at -6 relations to Kublai and "close borders" and he was way ahead in strength he didn't DoW me. I have no exact reference if this is true or not, I just can say, that this is the behaviour.

I am sure I didn't get the additional peace treaty nor the "peace treaty over" message in the resources-for-(their)money trades I made in BOTM09.

Might it depend on resorce-for-resource or resource-for-money????

Can anyone else confirm my experience?
(you see, HolyHandGrenade, I don't ask for confirmation of your experience: I must have more confidence in your word than in my memory )

 

[HolyHandGrenade]

I am sure I didn't get the additional peace treaty nor the "peace treaty over" message in the resources-for-(their)money trades I made in BOTM09.

Might it depend on resorce-for-resource or resource-for-money????

Can anyone else confirm my experience?
(you see, HolyHandGrenade, I don't ask for confirmation of your experience: I must have more confidence in your word than in my memory )

I have not examined money trades, I only look at my-resource to their-money/resource trade. So perhaps you should try it yourself, and again I was really lucky here because Kublai needs 2 resources from me and always have 16-22 gpt to trade I delayed one resource to be 5 turns after the 1st one and therefore never run in the problem that the peace-treaty runs out.

 

[HolyHandGrenade]

I have not examined money trades, I only look at my-resource to their-money/resource trade. So perhaps you should try it yourself, and again I was really lucky here because Kublai needs 2 resources from me and always have 16-22 gpt to trade I delayed one resource to be 5 turns after the 1st one and therefore never run in the problem that the peace-treaty runs out.

Ok - I just tried it. I loaded an intermediate save from my submitted game and stopped renewing the resource-trades with Kublai. Several turns later he DoWed me. As long as I had the resource trade up and renewed every 5 turns I was able to have peace and after stopping the trades I got DoWed

 

[ryzax]

finally submitted my game and was accepted a while ago.

i added 4 additional opponents so i can warmonger during the ancient era and checked no barbarian setting. settled on a lovely 4 floodplains, 2 gold, 1 wheat spot with lots of forests. eliminated hatty because i just hate egypt and they are usually easy to obliterate then proceeded to eliminate shaka because he is a backstabbing b@stard (and because of the marble near his capital).

i was practically left alone in a big area so I got so much land to settle in. kublai and monty were so far from me that i only faced war once (against charlemagne, who declared peace right after i destroyed just one unit out of his little stack). well, I was one of the most powerful civs during the game so no one dared to declare war on me.

what i like about this cultural thing game is that my borders were so wide that even if someone declares war on me, it will still take some turns before they reach my cities and my improvements and I can still move the reinforcements to the soon-to-be-attacked city.

adopted judaism (religion of my neighbors and mansa, the most useful friend ever). the game was practically jews vs. buddhists and the A.I.s were so busy destroying themselves as my cities grow to perfection. i never agreed to join their wars. I don't mind the "you refused to help us during war-time" penalty as I enjoy +5 to +8 from adopting the same religion as them. However, there were times that I do agree to give them tech tributes.

wonders built: pyramids, temple of artemis, parthenon, shwedagon paya, mausolleum of mauso.., sistine chapel, the great library

so far, there are only two entries in this gauntlet, how should I interpret this?

 

[HolyHandGrenade]

finally submitted my game and was accepted a while ago.

i added 4 additional opponents so i can warmonger during the ancient era and checked no barbarian setting. settled on a lovely 4 floodplains, 2 gold, 1 wheat spot with lots of forests. eliminated hatty because i just hate egypt and they are usually easy to obliterate then proceeded to eliminate shaka because he is a backstabbing b@stard (and because of the marble near his capital).

i was practically left alone in a big area so I got so much land to settle in. kublai and monty were so far from me that i only faced war once (against charlemagne, who declared peace right after i destroyed just one unit out of his little stack). well, I was one of the most powerful civs during the game so no one dared to declare war on me.

what i like about this cultural thing game is that my borders were so wide that even if someone declares war on me, it will still take some turns before they reach my cities and my improvements and I can still move the reinforcements to the soon-to-be-attacked city.

adopted judaism (religion of my neighbors and mansa, the most useful friend ever). the game was practically jews vs. buddhists and the A.I.s were so busy destroying themselves as my cities grow to perfection. i never agreed to join their wars. I don't mind the "you refused to help us during war-time" penalty as I enjoy +5 to +8 from adopting the same religion as them. However, there were times that I do agree to give them tech tributes.

wonders built: pyramids, temple of artemis, parthenon, shwedagon paya, mausolleum of mauso.., sistine chapel, the great library

so far, there are only two entries in this gauntlet, how should I interpret this?

... and at which turn you won using this strategy?

 

[ryzax]

... and at which turn you won using this strategy?

can't remember, but it was year 1570. i find this mediocre because if I had timed my last golden age right, i could have won earlier. I was actually expecting a great artist before I call for a golden age because i was reserving my great merchant for the sushi but no, a great scientist appeared on my GP farm then i waited for the next great person on another city but unluckiness set in again and I got a great prophet.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

so far, there are only two entries in this gauntlet, how should I interpret this?

It takes me at least a week to play marathon!

 

[ryzax]

It takes me at least a week to play marathon!

this is cultural victory game... all I did with my last 50 turns was to press enter. you can finish this in 2 nights.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Well I am going to start my next attempt tonight but we will see... 2 nights sounds a bit optimistic, I like to check my cities quite often

Need China, Marathon (not HC), Major Gauntlet (not HC) and Pangaea anyway for my EQM table so I want to get a win in this game.

 

[Harbourboy]

How much war are you guys engaging in? Are you taking out one or two of the problematic AIs out early to make life easier and get some good city sites? Or are you going down the culture route from day one?

Man, marathon speed is slow.....

 

[ParadigmShifter]

I didn't get very far in my last game. I too am not a fan of Marathon (hence my only win was the HC highest score gauntlet).

But playing as Qin I intend to build the mids, maybe bulb machinery and use Chokkablokes to try and get rid of Monty at least... maybe Napoleon too if I can. I'm going to pick Kublai instead of Genghis for Mongolia, that was an easy decision to make

EDIT: And I'm hoping Izzy will spread her religion to me too.

EDIT2: Let's get started then!!! I may be some time...

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Played to about 1940BC ish, doing OK. First warrior popped mysticism and then barbs, at least we got mysticism.

BFC has stone, copper, founding 3rd city [commerce] then building the mids. I will soon cut off Napoleon and Monty from my side of continent, so I have them where I want them. Cyrus is on their side of the continent too. Everyone else is the other side.

Not looking too bad

 

[Salomo]

How much war are you guys engaging in? Are you taking out one or two of the problematic AIs out early to make life easier and get some good city sites? Or are you going down the culture route from day one?

I avoided war. And taking out enemies really isn't neccessary for a peaceful world: Just build oracle or stonehenge, found a religion, and use the great prophet to build a great shrine. Then hook up your holy city to the rest of the world (sailing helps and can be traded from the AI).

If you get your great shrine early enough you will have a world dominated by the religion you founded. Besides a little gold bonus, that helps worldpeace a lot. The rest can usually be solved by diplomacy. Monti or one of the other agressive ones may still attack you, but you should usually be able to get enough people to join your side of war so that you don't need to worry much about that. Just weather the initial breeze and lean back.

The key to this is to get the great shrine as early as possible though. If you get it too late, not enough AIs will convert to your religion.

 

[jesusin]

I avoided war. And taking out enemies really isn't neccessary for a peaceful world: Just build oracle or stonehenge, found a religion, and use the great prophet to build a great shrine. Then hook up your holy city to the rest of the world (sailing helps and can be traded from the AI).

If you get your great shrine early enough you will have a world dominated by the religion you founded. Besides a little gold bonus, that helps worldpeace a lot. The rest can usually be solved by diplomacy. Monti or one of the other agressive ones may still attack you, but you should usually be able to get enough people to join your side of war so that you don't need to worry much about that. Just weather the initial breeze and lean back.

The key to this is to get the great shrine as early as possible though. If you get it too late, not enough AIs will convert to your religion.

Brilliant.

I have always despised religion as a means to get friends, because of the cost of missionaries and the benefits you provide to the other civ.

I have never built shrines (or, more accurately, I have always regretted it, the few times I've built them), becuase of the "wasted" GP and the higher probability of popping yet another GPro.

Now, your method (concentrate on early shrine, forget about missionaries) has a lot of potential.


Just a question: Later on, don't they abandon your religion when they found their own?

 

[ryzax]

Brilliant.

I have always despised religion as a means to get friends, because of the cost of missionaries and the benefits you provide to the other civ.

I have never built shrines (or, more accurately, I have always regretted it, the few times I've built them), becuase of the "wasted" GP and the higher probability of popping yet another GPro.

Now, your method (concentrate on early shrine, forget about missionaries) has a lot of potential.


Just a question: Later on, don't they abandon your religion when they found their own?

I would still prefer not to build a great shrine (though it is really tempting). great shrines don't give much culture and as for the gold bonus, you won't be building enough missionaries, anyways so it is of not much use. if you think that the A.I. might spread your religion to their cities, that's too risky. I think it's better to concentrate on getting one or two great engineers at the beginning (from mids and hanging gardens) so you can rush the sistine chapel and some other big-culture wonder. then on great scientists to build an academy in your soon-to-be science city (and for tech bulbing, if you really need it) and finally on great artists once you switch to caste system.

on the question: the A.I. will not switch to the religion they founded if about half of the world is at the same religion as their present religion. but if they found one of the early religions (buddhism, hinduism, judaism), they might switch to that though only during the ancient era.

 

[Salomo]

Just a question: Later on, don't they abandon your religion when they found their own?

Generally yes. It does depend on the AI personality though and on how widespread my religion is. At least in Vanilla Isabella seems to always go for budhism first and sticks to it, no matter what. Most others are more flexible, especially if the religion is very widespread.

Still, by the end you are likely to have more different religions. But by then you should be a little less vulnerable and unless Isabella agressively spreads her religion you will still have enough friends to help you in times of need (for a little price).

 

[Harbourboy]

Everyone keeps asking me to stop trading with everyone else. I can't keep anyone happy, and I certainly can't not attack that annoying Napoleon. He has to go!

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Played up to 1200BC, when I built the Pyramids. 4 cities now. Going OK I suppose. Capital has good production, my 2nd and 3rd cities have good commerce potential.

Judaism and Hinduism have both spread to my capital.

 

[Harbourboy]

Gah - everyone is attacking me. I have no idea how to keep all these nutcases happy without a pile of panzers to back up my diplomacy.