G-Minor 16

[superslug]

While the general Hall of Fame is an ongoing competition, we like to run time-definite competitions between updates that we call Gauntlets. Standard Hall of Fame rules (*) still apply, but any games meeting the settings will be counted towards the Gauntlet.

[size=+2](*) Please read the >> HOF rules << BEFORE playing!
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Settings:

• Victory Condition: Diplomatic (though all victory conditions must be enabled)
• Difficulty: Noble
• Starting Era: Ancient
• Map Size: Large
• Map Type: Highlands
• Speed: Normal
• Civ: Japan
• Opponents: Must include Carthage (Hannibal), Celt (Brennus), Egypt (Ramesses II), England (Churchill), Korea (Wang Kon), Ottoman (Mehmed II), Rome (Augustus Caesar), Russia (Stalin), Viking (Ragnar Lodbrock), Zulu (Shaka)
• Version: 2.08.003
• Date: 25th February to 9th March 2007

The earliest finish date wins, with score as a tiebreaker.
See G-Minor 16 for details.

PLEASE ALSO NOTE THAT THIS IS WARLORDS ONLY!

 

[Jenarie]

Ohhh I like this one! The last one I tried almost made me cry but this looks much better.

Best of all... no Khan! (after Major-8 I hate Mongols... both of them... forever!)

 

[IVZanIV]

I am not quite acquainted with the setup of the minors and majors yet, so I apologize if this question is foolish. I arrived too late for the Vanilla only G-Minor, so will I have to wait for the timespan before another Vanilla Minor is available?

 

[KMadCandy]

hahaha mr. "closed borders for life" winning by diplomatic victory, that's precious. the very thought makes me giggle, since i don't know if i've ever done the 'kill enough to vote yourself in' diplo thing. but imagining the AI toku playing diplo the way i do ... hahahahaha.

i'm guessing that since we have to be him (and use the specified opponents) the approach will be kinda different from g-minor 15 eh? in fact it probably would even if it was on settler again.

oh gosh normal speed. i don't remember when i last played on normal, was before i started submitting to HoF for sure.

@IVZanIV: there's only ever one major and one minor at a time. so if you don't have warlords, yes you'd have to wait until the next vanilla or combo minor swings around. i don't know if the flavors go in cycles or not.

 

[superslug]

I am not quite acquainted with the setup of the minors and majors yet, so I apologize if this question is foolish. I arrived too late for the Vanilla only G-Minor, so will I have to wait for the timespan before another Vanilla Minor is available?

Minors are typically much easier than Majors. The minors go for one update (~two weeks) and majors twice that.

The whole Vanilla/Warlord/Combo thing is something I just started doing last month. Sometimes the Gauntlets are part of my master plan, sometimes I just make stuff up at the last minute.

I try to rotate the flavors around though, so two-thirds of the minors will be Vanilla involved, either as Vanilla only or Combo.

 

[IVZanIV]

Alright, thank you. I didn't buy Warlords, I thought Civ had lost it's cruel hold on my soul.

I was wrong. *sigh* Oh well, March 9th isn't TOO far away.

 

[superslug]

The Hall of Fame is a big exciting place, I'm sure theres something here you could play for between Gauntlets.

 

[Jenarie]

For people who haven't started this yet... normal barbarians are acting almost like raging barbs on a normal map. With large map and only 10 opponents plus the fact that there is no ocean on highland meaning a lot of land space... I've never turned off barbs in any game I've played to date but if my current game doesn't work out and I have to start over I am going to consider it.

Just thought I'd share for those who haven't played with this map much.

 

[a space oddity]

Alternatively you can add opponents, the list given is the minimum.

 

[Jenarie]

I thought about that when I first started - I almost always play with max on map because I like the flat maps which have more room. But this is diplomatic so that seemed like it would make it more complicated rather then less.

 

[a space oddity]

Some of the obligatory opponents are hard to win over, you might want to add some friendlies. Also you might consider backdoor diplo by conquering, which could be easier with more opponents. Consider making two factions and making sure yours is the bigger of the two.

 

[Jenarie]

I've already started and given up three games (plus a lot of games I played just a few turns) and I think I am going to take your advice. 14 civs it is... I feel like I'm cheating if I turn off barbs but I can't handle them with only 10 civs on the map.

Personally I think I like thin peaks and ridgelines best with large lakes although I'm not sure on the lakes because they can really get in the way sometimes. I've never tried seas I might have to see what that is like as well.

Anyone have any map tips? I finally found a gauntlet I have a hope of finishing so I'm determined to do this one.

 

[KMadCandy]

Anyone have any map tips? I finally found a gauntlet I have a hope of finishing so I'm determined to do this one.

i have one i use if i'm trying a new map type. but it's kinda cheating

don't start an actual game. just set up a game that's all random leaders, but that map and that size, with each particular option (the peaks, the lakes, blah blah), remember which ones you use, and UNCHECK "lock modified assets". then you can go into WB and actually see the map and at least know how it looks, to know how the different options turn out. go out of WB and regen a few times, rinse and repeat for other settings, etc.

i like this method when i have a goal in mind but also want to get a map-type done for the QM table and have no idea if the combo will actually work or not. this way i don't actually start and then realize it's not gonna go that way after X amount of time and get annoyed with life. sometimes it still doesn't work out, but hey, it's saved me some 'man that would have been a BAD idea' moments. it may feel like cheating to you, if so, disregard.

do NOT forget to CHECK the "lock modified assets" box again when you've done your testing. especially for this minor, with having to specify all those opponents, i imagine starting up a game to get the "this game does not qualify" message would be annoying.

 

[Jenarie]

That is a great idea. To me it wouldn't feel like cheating since it isn't giving you any information you wouldn't have if you'd played the map type a few times before.

Edit: This is hillarious... I tried this and got an absolutely beautiful start - one of the best I've ever seen. And of course I can't use it.

 

[superslug]

i have one i use if i'm trying a new map type. but it's kinda cheating

That's not cheating, that's research.

 

[Maquis]

Speaking of "cheating" or "research"... Here's my question... From what I read, by HoF rules, "random personalities" is not prohibited... so I am halfway through a game using random AI personalities. Doing quite well so far...

I guess I just want to check if my game would be thrown out before I finish... just in case it gets ruled that it's not in the spirit of the variant...

 

[superslug]

Should be okay.

 

[The-Hawk]

I've never turned off barbs in any game I've played to date but if my current game doesn't work out and I have to start over I am going to consider it.

Not sure I'd ever try a gauntlet like this with barbs on... they simply distract you from the goal of the gauntlet. Its not a matter of handling them, its a matter of not letting them slow you down.

 

[KMadCandy]

Edit: This is hillarious... I tried this and got an absolutely beautiful start - one of the best I've ever seen. And of course I can't use it.

noooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that's not fair!

That's not cheating, that's research.

well yes of course! but see, i consider playing with no barbs as ummmm, humane and kind, so as not to have to slaughter them. knowing and respecting Jenarie's different opinion in that area, i didn't want to assume about the map thing *giggle*

 

[BLubmuz]

bahh, first attempt arrived to the Sec Gen vote, pretty good start and surroundings, same research path used in 15.
Peaceful game (but with a strong army), lost the Sec Gen election by far.

As i supposed the only way with this leader is the backdoor, but it's too boring at this speed (i hate normal, and even talk about quick).

I don't konw if it's the map or else, but i never seen my PC so slow in Warlords, and it takes forever between turns.

No, i'll left this, i don't need another gauntlet (and i don't like this one), and i'll try to concentrate in my quattromaster climb.