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[Denniz]

[img=right]http://www.civfanatics.net/methos/hof/staff/gauntlet.gif[/img]While the general Hall of Fame is an ongoing competition, we like to run time-definite competitions between updates that we call Gauntlets. Standard Hall of Fame rules (*) still apply, but any games meeting the settings will be counted towards the Gauntlet.

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Settings:

• Victory Condition: Diplomatic (though all victory conditions must be enabled)
• Difficulty: Noble
• Starting Era: Ancient
• Map Size: Small
• Map Type: Any
• Speed: Normal
• Civ: Mongolia
• Opponents: Must include Aztec (Montezuma), Egypt (Hatshepsut), Greece (Alexander), Japan (Tokugawa), Russia (Catherine), Spain (Isabella)
• Version: 1.74.002, 2.13.002 or 3.13.001
• Date: 25th May to 10th June 2008

Must not play as Inca.

The earliest finish date wins, with score as a tiebreaker.

 

[Infantry#14]

can you still self vote (w/ majority to win) in warlords and vanilla?

 

[Ozbenno]

Yes, you can self vote to win by UN in all versions of the game.

 

[occam]

Hey, please forgive a newbie question here, but does the Victory Condition of "Diplomatic" include the AP religious version?

It is hard for me to tell, Civ sure thinks AP falls under Diplomatic (if you uncheck that box, you can't win by AP)... but I have seen some remarks on HOF that suggest religious is separate.

Thanks in advance!

 

[Ozbenno]

For HOF purposes, diplomatic victories are UN victories and religious victories are AP victories.

 

[FiveAces]

Tricky selection of opponents for a diplo win. Balancing war and relations should be interesting to say the least.

 

[bestje]

maybe play this one as a diplomination, I can't see monty and toku voting for me somehow

 

[FiveAces]

maybe play this one as a diplomination, I can't see monty and toku voting for me somehow

Set monty on toku. Pick up points for mutual war with monty at the expense of toku's pop/UN votes. Or warrior rush both. Fastest time will be with only the number of cities needed for Oxford.

 

[jesusin]

Yes, you can self vote to win by UN in all versions of the game.

Are you sure you can UN autovote in BTS 3.13?

 

[Conquistador 63]

"Any map type"... I suppose pangaea style should be the best bet, but at Noble, playing Terra and being able to get an easy boost in pop from colonizing New World could also work. Just need to be careful on hitting land/pop limits.

As always, the tricky part is getting the #2 in pop to be the unpopular one. In the few quick starts I had, Hatty was the ugly duckling. But how to make sure she (or Toku) would be the voting rival?

 

[WilliamOfOrange]

"Any map type"... I suppose pangaea style should be the best bet, but at Noble, getting a free boost in pop from colonizing New World could also work. Just need to be careful on hitting land/pop limits.

Couldyou explain what this means, please. Thanks

 

[Conquistador 63]

Sorry, I meant (but obviously didn't type it) that playing Terra maptype could be advantageous for the reasons I outlined before.


EDIT: I managed to submit an entry, and I was quite happy with my 11xxAD date until I realized fastest date on these settings is 590AD.

 

[Aerinon]

I think I'm going to give this one a whirl. Do anyone think I'm insane to try for a gauntlet for my first solo Civ4 game? I wonder what the general strategy ought to be. Obviously I'm going to beeline Mass Media. I hope to pick up Alphabet quickly, then Masonry or going for the Bronze/Iron Working techs as on a small map with six opponents, I'm likely to start near one or two civs, and enemy capitals make nice cities. Anyone know the OCN for small maps? Any other important techs I ought to snag that aren't required? I think Education for Uni's and Oxford is a given, but I'm not sure one the rest. I'm not sure how to use GPs exactly either.

EDIT: I managed to submit an entry, and I was quite happy with my 11xxAD date until I realized fastest date on these settings is 590AD.

Are you sure? Diplomatic,Noble,Normal,Small on QScore Query gives the best date at 1640AD which your submission would easily beat. Did you get the right settings? The Diplomatic,Noble,Quick,Small has a date at 590AD. That must be what you looked at.

 

[erikthecelt]

As always, the tricky part is getting the #2 in pop to be the unpopular one. In the few quick starts I had, Hatty was the ugly duckling. But how to make sure she (or Toku) would be the voting rival?

Gift biology to your chosen opponent.

 

[Andrei_V]

But how to make sure she (or Toku) would be the voting rival?

How about gifting her a few cities captured from one of her neighbors?

 

[Conquistador 63]

All good suggestions. However, in the game I submitted:
1. I hadn't researched none of the necessary techs (Engineering, Gunpowder, Chemistry and Biology) by the time I won;
2. I captured no city at all, even if I had to declare on her 3/4 times just to get +diplo points with the rest of the gang - everyone else was at war with her at least once, as she was the only hindu civ among a horde of buddhists. Surprisingly enough, she was able to hold her own, and even managed to capture one of Alex's cities and still be #2 in pop at the end.

 

[bestje]

Set monty on toku. Pick up points for mutual war with monty at the expense of toku's pop/UN votes. Or warrior rush both. Fastest time will be with only the number of cities needed for Oxford.

Not sure, the minimum number of cities for Ox is 1 through an OCC

mutual war will get you a lot of diplo votes, but diplomination is a guaranteed win

 

[HolyHandGrenade]

All good suggestions. However, in the game I submitted:
1. I hadn't researched none of the necessary techs (Engineering, Gunpowder, Chemistry and Biology) by the time I won;
2. I captured no city at all, even if I had to declare on her 3/4 times just to get +diplo points with the rest of the gang - everyone else was at war with her at least once, as she was the only hindu civ among a horde of buddhists. Surprisingly enough, she was able to hold her own, and even managed to capture one of Alex's cities and still be #2 in pop at the end.

Hi Conq,

because diplo is not my favorite victory conditions, could you give me some hints? Like map, map settings, research strategy? I just submitted 1540AD with a Hemisphere Map and fully cottaged home island and I don't see a chance to get better here Thanks in advance

 

[Conquistador 63]

Being a Noble level game I aimed for a pangaea style map (I used Terra) where I could contact everyone early so I could trade the initial techs and more importantly, get to build up good relations from the beginning. Oracle CS then Edu then beeline MM. Radio from Liberalism. Racking up GE points also helps (pyramids, HG, etc) to rushbuild UN.
Also settle a couple fishing villages and try to get as many GS as you can, they help bulb your way to MM.

 

[HolyHandGrenade]

Being a Noble level game I aimed for a pangaea style map (I used Terra) where I could contact everyone early so I could trade the initial techs and more importantly, get to build up good relations from the beginning. Oracle CS then Edu then beeline MM. Radio from Liberalism. Racking up GE points also helps (pyramids, HG, etc) to rushbuild UN.
Also settle a couple fishing villages and try to get as many GS as you can, they help bulb your way to MM.

Thanks for the fast reply. Just a couple of additional questions ... How many cities did you found? Do you need a production center for military units? What about religions? Do you had any wars?