Genghis Khan has the best navy?

[shattergod]

So you're like huh... who can I play as if I want to whoop bum on the waters.

England... the Ottomans.. Carthage... the Byzentines... Shaka... lots of options. But they all seem to suck compared to Genghis.

See, Genghis's benefit also applies to his Naval melee units. That 30% vs. City States helps you level up your naval unit incredibly quickly, nets you 30% more gold than you otherwise would've gotten, and so on and so forth.

England's UA of +2 Movement is nice, and Shaka's units level up quickly too.. the rest of the Navies suck because, for the most part, the benefits never really carry over from one generation to the next. The Byzantine Greek Fire, for example, is lost on its very first upgrade.

Thus... I'm currently thinking Mongolia... a landlocked nation, home to one of the driest deserts on the planet... has the best navy in the game of civilization v.

 

[Yzman]

Dutch Sea Beggars are good.

England is good.

Ottomans can steal other ships.

I would hardly say Mongolia is anywhere near the top. Besides, its usually not a good idea to attack a lot of CS. It doesn't really help you in the long run.

 

[shattergod]

Dutch Sea Beggars are good.

England is good.

Ottomans can steal other ships.

I would hardly say Mongolia is anywhere near the top. Besides, its usually not a good idea to attack a lot of CS. It doesn't really help you in the long run.

You only need to attack one. If you do it early enough I don't think you get a penalty for it, just soak the CS for gold and exp.

 

[Crafty Bison]

It's 30% Combat Strength vs City States isn't it? That'd mean it wouldn't be +30% damage and therefore not +30% gold. The Combat system s quite complicated, I think there's an article on it somewhere....

On the Strength of Mongolia; No. It's England or Ottomans, with other civs being decent (I personally like Byzantium for early war, and getting the Dromons to logistics by the time they become frigates ).

 

[FrostK]

Portugal is the best naval civ. I do not think that other civ can deal with 9999 Nao.

 

[Pythakoreas]

Thus... I'm currently thinking Mongolia... a landlocked nation, home to one of the driest deserts on the planet... has the best navy in the game of civilization v.

Add that to the fact that the only weakness of ruthless Mongol conquerors was ships, they were seasick whenever they tried to cross a sea. They failed to capture the Korean government who fled to an island and couldn't even reach Japan.

 

[Gort]

Time to open a can of worms:

Bit of an exploit to just farm XP by shooting a city state over and over, isn't it? Maybe there should be a limit like there is for barbarians.

 

[shattergod]

It's 30% Combat Strength vs City States isn't it? That'd mean it wouldn't be +30% damage and therefore not +30% gold. The Combat system s quite complicated, I think there's an article on it somewhere....

On the Strength of Mongolia; No. It's England or Ottomans, with other civs being decent (I personally like Byzantium for early war, and getting the Dromons to logistics by the time they become frigates ).

If I recall correctly once you have coastal raider 3 you get 100% of your damage to the city state as gold.

 

[SnowKomodo]

Add that to the fact that the only weakness of ruthless Mongol conquerors was ships, they were seasick whenever they tried to cross a sea. They failed to capture the Korean government who fled to an island and couldn't even reach Japan.

Yeah Mongols got so cocky with their power that they tried to cross the seas and take down the Indonesians

They got so embarrassed that Kublai Khan and his legendary forces literally said "screw this, I'm done" and called it quits

 

[Nicasen]

It's 30% Combat Strength vs City States isn't it? That'd mean it wouldn't be +30% damage and therefore not +30% gold. The Combat system s quite complicated, I think there's an article on it somewhere....

On the Strength of Mongolia; No. It's England or Ottomans, with other civs being decent (I personally like Byzantium for early war, and getting the Dromons to logistics by the time they become frigates ).

The coastal raider promotion line gives you gold based on how much damage you do, so if you're doing 30% damage you'll end up with 30% more gold from melee ships.

 

[shattergod]

The coastal raider promotion line gives you gold based on how much damage you do, so if you're doing 30% damage you'll end up with 30% more gold from melee ships.

And that can add up to a lot of gold, especially early game. By the time you've got destroyers out (assuming it gets that far) you'll be bringing in a *ton* of gold. Then again by that point gold usually doesn't mean that much.

 

[Silverman6083]

Ok on this one I think you're just flat out wrong

 

[Yzman]

Also, grinding for experience against a CS does not make their navy "better".

 

[superliminal]

Zulu! With the exp bonus you can get a crazy powerful navy. I have never before had a fleet of submarines with three ranks in wolfpack promotions and logistics.

 

[Vohbo]

Yeah Zulu are probably the best nation for going Naval, at the very least on par with England but probably just better.

 

[Resipsa]

I could make a similar argument for Russia's navy being the best because you can make twice as many frigates, battleships, and bombers

 

[budweiser]

A mongol fleet also lost to Vietnam, but who hasn't lost to Vietnam?

I'm glad they are not in civ, would be too OP.

 

[Crafty Bison]

The coastal raider promotion line gives you gold based on how much damage you do, so if you're doing 30% damage you'll end up with 30% more gold from melee ships.

Yeah but you're not doing +30% damage, that's my point. It's +30% Combat Strength not +30% damage. The actual damage calculations are complicated function of the ratios of the two combat strengths. The reason I care about it is that cs modifiers are additive not multiplicative, and so do not act in an easily decomposable way with respect to combat strength ratio, and therefore damage.

 

[NukeAJS]

This must be a troll topic ...

 

[Alzadar]

The naval game doesn't really start until Navigation (coast-locked ships are pretty useless, Caravel not very good for fighting). So all the civs with pre-Navigation unique ships don't really have good navies. England is the undisputed ruler of the seas, followed by I guess the Ottomans and the Dutch.

30% combat strength vs CS has to be the most ridiculous reason to consider someone's navy good.