GotM XXI - Thread of the Spoiler!

[GaryNemo]

I am playing Classic, Civ2.EXE 08-Oct-96 1,764,880 bytes.

I am also worried about finding the time to finish!

1000 AD, built LEONARDO, MUSKETS CANNON. Hut: $50g, Zimbabwe!
4100,000 22c, $62 -13, Sci 288/4 34T, Mfg=127, FS=3.7 20,00,80%
1.Aqua 2.Market+3 5.Temple+1 1.Library 3.Harbor+2   12.Sett+5 11.Dip+0 5.Carav+9 24.Musket+1 1.Horse 5.Crusader 4.Cannon 2.Explorer 1.Trireme+1 34.Supported 15.None Casualties: 1.Warr 1.Phx

1040 Explosive ENGINEERS! R: Sanit over Democ Bridge Gravity Nav Chiv, no Theology. Moving Cannon to Paris.
1060 Out of nowhere, Senate signs Peace Treaty with French! What!? Carthage Copper Paris PAID $162. Bribe Zulu Pikeman $393 None. Then the French demanded we withdraw from Paris, I did, and my new Zulu Pikeman also disappeared back into Lyons! Drat!

1280 Barb Leader: $150 7620,000 in 29c, $88 -27, 328/4, Mfg=183
Subvert Barb Teotihuacan $364, 4 Archers $0.

 

[Kemal]

My view regarding the use of different versions is that considering that the main goal of the GotM is to compare one's skill in playing civ2 to other players' skill, all players using the same version would be a great help, especially since there is so much difference in AI behaviour between these versions.

However, I also believe that this same difference in AI behaviour might be the reason not to enforce people to use the same version, since the game changes so drastically and people might not want to play one of these versions because of it, and it also could scare off new players participating in this competition if they are used to a different version of the game.

Btw, already 21 months have passed without having a rule that everyone should use the same versions, and it has worked out fine, so my opinion is just to let it be as it was.

Concerning this month's game, I just submitted and when counting my score I realized there was one other thing that I had forgotten about civ2, namely that wonders score points. Ooops!

 

[Smash]

20 points per...


I have used both 2.42 and MGE in GOTM.Not much difference in the end.I will tend to use 2.42 for OCC or fast spaceship.But it should be noted that ALL "great" Civ2 accomplishments have been done on MGE.Shadowdale and starlifter use it.Solo and sampson also use it.Ribannah also played MGE.Xin Yu also.
So it is safe to say there is no difference in difficulty.

 

[Boli]

I vote for a larger map next time. This small map made all of my usual tactics forfit, and my end game score shows it. (I never reached more than 70,000,000 pop.).

Now I know that the game also takes into account time taken but I fel that a conquest victory and/or an early finsh is like walking aout thr game half way thorugh.

I am sorely tempted to hand in a saved game at 1AD... I may get more points for that. even though I did get to 2012(ish).

*grumbles*

Those damn celts were attakcing me contiuously from start to finsh and hiding over those mountains made it imposible to do anything till it was too late, I lost 100 peace points . Still at the end they were still attacking me with elephants

 

[Marlos]

Okay, it's late to be posting this, but I wanted to since it was the first time that I kept a log! Had great fun! Looking forward to GOTM XXII!

3950 BC – Hut (archer – NON!); Found Carthage
3400 BC – Discover Masonry
3350 BC – Hut (archer)
3050 BC – Found Utica (planned SSC)
2950 BC – Discover Ceremonial Burial
2900 BC – Hut (advanced tribe – Malaca); first contact with Celts; trade Horseback Riding for Currency; decline treaty; demand tribute – they ignore
2650 BC – Toynbee ranks Carthaginians “most powerful”; Celts 6th; Discover Alphabet
2550 BC – Hut (archer)
2500 BC – Population 100,000
2350 BC – Hut (nomad)
2200 BC – Discover Code of Laws; hut (chariot)
2000 BC – First contact with French; trade Currency for Mysticism, decline Writing for Code of Laws, sign treaty, demand tribute, receive 100 gold; Celts send emissary, ask for tech trade, decline, decline treaty, accept when they toss in 50 gold
1950 BC – Declare war on Celts, attack Cardiff [3 archers to beat one fortified phalanx!]; hut (50 gold)
1850 BC – Destroy Cardiff, acquire Warrior Code
1800 BC – First contact with Persians; sign treaty
1700 BC – Found caralis [small “c”]; Found Panormus
1650 BC – Hut (archer – NON!); locate Paris
1550 BC – Discover Writing; locate Kells, sign cease fire with Celts; locate Susa
1500 BC – Declare war on Celts, destroy Kells, Celts destroyed ; French declare war
1100 BC – Persians declare war
950 BC – Pliny ranks Carthaginians “happiest”, Persians 2nd, French 3rd; Discover Literacy
875 BC – Capture first barb leader!
825 BC – French request cease fire, accept; decline treaty
750 BC – French break cease fire
675 BC – Found Leptis Parva
625 BC – Capture Lyons, acquire Map Making
600 BC – French request cease fire, accept; decline treaty
575 BC – Persians approach Leptis Parva with an elephant; request cease fire, accepted; request peace, accepted; Persians decline offer to trade techs
500 BC – Discover Philosophy; discover Monarchy; revolution!
425 BC – Government changes to Monarchy; population 300,000; Zulus begin Colossus
375 BC – Barb uprising; NON settler killed
300 BC – Population 400,000
250 BC – First contact with Zulus; treaty signed; Aztecs begin Pyramids
225 BC – Sign treaty with French
200 BC – Zulus change to Great Library; Discover Polytheism
175 BC – Livy ranks Carthaginians “wealthiest”, Persians 2nd, Zulus 3rd, French 5th; Persians declare war
125 BC – Pyramids completed! Aztecs change to Colossus; Population 500,000
100 BC – Establish French embassy (Despotism, 3 cities, 12 techs, researching Literacy)
75BC – Load elephant & archer on trireme, set sail for Persian lands
1 AD – 7 cities, population 590,000, 16 techs, 18 units (2 settlers), 7 units lost in battle
60 – Discover Feudalism; population 600,000
80 – Army sent to Persian lands defeated attacking Susa
110 – Malaca begins Oracle
120 – Carthage begins Oracle
180 – Zulus build Great Library; Zulus call to show off The Republic
260 – Population 800,000
270 – Discover Trade; Aztecs nearly done with Colossus; change Utica from Oracle to Colossus
280 – Susa revolts! sign treaty with Persians; found Cattenna
300 – Colossus completed! Aztecs switch to GW
320 – Population 900,000; subvert Tours, acquire The Wheel
340 – Population 1,000,000
380 – Diplomat destroys Paris’ city walls undetected [!]; Persians declare war
400 – Declare war on French
440 – Discover Monotheism
480 – Zulus call to show off Construction
500 – Aztecs build GW, change to Lighthouse
540 – Found Rusicade
560 – Aztecs change to MPE
660 – Subvert Hlobane, acquire Construction
700 – Aztecs complete MPE
720 – Persians pay 500 gold to sign treaty; switch Malaca from Oracle to STWA
760 – Discover Astronomy; STWA completed for 296 gold (thank you, Persians)
780 – Paris destroyed; begin Copernicus in Utica
860 – Found Gades (near former site of Cardiff); hut (50 gold); Rheims revolts, acquire The Republic; Zulus begin KRC
880 – Capture Marseilles, French assimilated ; Bede ranks Carthaginians “most powerful”; Persians 2nd, Zulus 4th
900 – Found Rusucurru (near former site of Paris)
920 – Subvert Bapedi, acquire Engineering
980 – Population 2,000,000; Hut (legion)
1000 – Discover Seafaring; 17 cities, population 2,020,000, 26 techs, 52 units (6 settlers), 17 units lost in battle
1020 – Establish Persian embassy (Despotism, 3 cities, 11 techs, researching Pottery)
1040 – Begin Oracle in Panormus
1060 – Begin Oracle in Lyons
1140 – Found Girba
1180 – Discover Invention; bribe Zulu archer (NON!); Persians declare war
1200 – Establish Zulu embassy (Republic, 4 cities, 21 techs, researching Astronomy)
1220 – Capture Persepolis, acquire Iron Working
1240 – Persians request cease fire, decline; declare war on Zulu
1260 – Begin Oracle in Rusicade; switch Carthage from Oracle to Hanging Gardens
1280 – Hanging Gardens completed! Capture Intombe, Zulu send emissary, send him away; Zulu build KRC
1300 – Ulundi revolts! Zulu request audience, decline
1380 – Population 3,000,000
1400 – Discover Bridge Building
1440 – Antioch revolts!
1460 – Persians request audience, decline; found Veptis Magna; Ishandlwana revolts! Zulu request cease fire, decline, offer 250 gold, decline, offer all gold (284), sign, reject treaty
1480 – Declare war on Zulu; found Zarthago Nova
1500 – Capture Arbela; first contact with Aztecs, they demand Invention, decline, request treaty, decline, GW forces treaty, demand tribute, Aztecs declare war
1510 – Ishandlwana destroyed by barbs
1530 – Discover Gunpowder
1540 – Switch Panormus from Oracle to Leonardo; switch Lyons from Oracle to MC
1610 – Establish Aztec embassy (Republic, 7 cities, 21 techs, researching Seafaring)
1620 – Discover Theology
1640 – Rush build MC
1650 – MC completed!
1680 – Copernicus’ Observatory completed! Population 4,000,000; Persians request audience, decline
1690 – Discover University
1710 – Calixtlahuaca revolts! Acquire Banking; Aztecs demand Invention, decline, warn us about our insolence , demand tribute, they declare war
1720 – Diplomat destroys Persepolis’ city walls! Capture Persepolis; Persians assimilated
1730 – Begin Oracle in Malaca; capture Zimbabwe (Great Library, KRC); Zulu assimilated
1740 – Begin Oracle in Bapedi
1750 – Discover Navigation; 28 cities, population 4,710,000, 34 techs, 108 units, 36 units lost in battle
1756 – Population 5,000,000; Herodotus ranks Carthaginians “largest”, Aztecs 2nd
1760 – Capture Xochicalco (founded on pole ), acquire Medicine; Aztecs request audience, decline, GW forces cease fire
1762 – Xochicalco disbanded
1764 – Declare war on Aztecs; discover Economics
1768 – Begin Oracle in Lyons & Rheims; capture Tlaxcala; Aztecs request audience, decline
1772 – Capture Texcoco; Aztecs request audience, decline
1774 – Found Oea (near former site of Ishandlwana, city to act as a port for troops headed to Aztec lands); Rusicade switched from Oracle to JSBC
1778 – Discover Metallurgy (Aztec GW comes down!); population 6,000,000; capture Teotihuacan; rush build JSBC; Aztecs request audience, decline
1782 – Found Tingis; JSBC completed!
1788 – Found Wusaddit; found Alalia
1790 – Discover Chivalry; Bapedi switched from Oracle to Magellan; Malaca switched from Oracle to Lighthouse; Rheims switched from Oracle to ASTC
1794 – Rush build Magellan; begin Oracle in Zimbabwe
1796 – Magellan completed!
1802 – Discover Chemistry; Lighthouse completed!
1804 – Found Selinus
1806 – Assault Tenochtitlan, 7 veteran crusaders lost!
1808 – Rush build ASTC
1810 – ASTC completed!
1812 – Population 8,000,000; found Himera
1816 – Aztecs request audience, decline
1818 – Discover Explosives
1822 – Begin Shakespeare’s Theatre in Utica
1826 – Discover Democracy; population 9,000,000; Lyons switched from Oracle to Statue of Liberty; rush build Statue of Liberty; capture Tenochtitlan; rush build Shakespeare’s Theatre, rush build Oracle in Zimbabwe
1828 – Statue of Liberty completed! Shakespeare’s Theatre completed! Oracle completed! Revolution!
1830 – Form Democracy
1832 – Aztecs request audience, decline, Senate signs cease fire; found Akragas
1834 – Population 11,000,000
1836 – Tlatelco revolts! Population 13,000,000
1838 – Population 14,000,000; Aztecs request audience, decline, Senate signs treaty
1840 – Discover Consciption
1842 – Population 15,000,000; Tlacapan revolts! Aztecs assimilated

 

[ElephantU]

A couple comments:
- Why Masonry first? You could have started on CerBur... Actually, I did not follow your early tech goals at all. Were you going for early Republic? You got Monarchy after Lit and Philosophy...
- From 1000BC to 0 try to change governments on the 50s, because the change will only take effect on the 25 (925, 825,725, etc)
- What was the point of finally building the Oracle in 1828? Just the extra points?

What was your final Reputation?

 

[grigor]

Almost done! - it's 1820AD and the spaceship is getting large. I buillt on the spice square to use the size 1 settler strategy, which made the early game fun to play. But with all the dry squares, I ran into very sloooooow mid-game growth. Log to follow.

 

[Marlos]

ElephantU, Masonry first only because I have a weakness for Pyramids. Generally, my tech strategy is to go for Monarchy first, grabbing Masonry and/or anything that will point me toward Philosophy/Monotheism along the way. When I was offered the ability to research Philosophy, I used the free tech to grab Monarchy.

After acquiring Monotheism, I aim toward Astronomy and/or Feudalism, then on to Invention. It was easier to avoid the "sea tech track" this game (Navigation et al) because of the configuration of the land mass. But I re-directed later and caught up when I figured out where the Aztecs were.

Good point about the timing of my revolutions. I still am a little in the dark about the oedo thing.

Yes, I finished Oracle just for the points. I believe that my final reputation was poor, but I would have to pull up my game to find out.

Thank you for your questions and input! I appreciate them!

 

[Old n Slow]

Abbreviated Log

When I first saw the dimensions, I was looking for a cylinder (80X20, compared to the 40X50 et all of the other regular map setups -- I figured first number must be the height) , so my glimpse of the south tundra generated a thought of poor terrain on a southern continent -- didn’t find out the difference until WELL into the game. Late, late, late into the game I double checked some of the locations -- if we’re counting diagonals, this looked like a 10X80, but the location data describe a 20X160.

Decided to try to use more little cities (ICS), made some serious errors along the way (details below)

Hut -- Archer
3900 -- 1st city
3650 -- 2nd city, discover Alphabet.,
3550 -- Archer opens hut, finds barb horse & archer dies; given open terrain, switch to build 2 horses
3350 -- CB
2850 -- Code of laws --
2600 -- We’re the largest civ !??! pop a hut, get a horse; in the next two turns pop two huts, get another horse & a barb (which we kill)
2400 -- meet the Celts, swap HBR for Masonry
2300 -- Found Malaca which will be come our SSC (too bad is is only a coupls of spaces away from the capital -- we’ll work on that snafu later)
2200 -- discover Monarchy
2100 -- (forgot to switch gov’t)
1850 -- Celts sneak attack! (Was I the only one who was surprised?)
1750 -- discover Write
1700 -- meet Persia -- trade for four techs, pick up Wheel, Pot, WC, Currency
1300 -- FINALLY revolt -- Monarchy next turn (have 4 cities, 12 techs)
975 -- discover Myst
800 -- (FR start GL)
775 -- pop a hut, get 5 barbs -- no dip in sight
675 -- discover Map
600 -- pay 50g for a CF with the Celts
450 -- BARBS sack Carthage ARGH form nowhere, lose a horse, dip & settler
425 -- buy back Carthage for 52g (no Palace, though); trade with French, get 4 techs -- Rep, Phil, Lit, Bank. Barbs sack Rusicalea w dip inside. (It is about this time that I reflect on the Celts to the west, French to the East & I’m otherwise at the top of the world -- I figure Persia must be to the south since I’m still thinking cylinder.)
75 -- Fr builds Pyramids after a couple of Wonder switches
1 -- Carthage has 9 cities, 20 techs, 400K pop. and still no clue that they’re living in Ringworld.

The dark ages, some stuff is rushed, the moves go fast and a save at 980 shows 15 cities, 28 techs, 3 wonders, HG, Col, Copes, all in Malaca (the only other wonders are Pyr & MPE, both in Paris)
1020 -- discover Mono
1200 -- discover Medicine
1360 -- discover Eng
1500 -- discover San
1510 -- discover that turns are still moving at ten years instead of 5 years as expected -- not a major problem except for one who would like to watch for oedo years (but then again this game I don’t seem to be watching much at all)
1540 -- Republic (tech coming in 4T @ 1.3.6) Have an embassy with the French, seen Persians, Celts, & know of two other civs
1580 -- 26 cities, 33 techs, 2.6M pop, 900g, discover Theory of Gravity; Celts gone
1590 -- a couple of camels & we have Theology
1620 -- Invention
(Took a long break)
1650 -- Democracy; 27 cities, 36 techs, 4.3M pop 1.5K gold; have 8 wonders, 3 foreign (Aztecs have GL -- turns out they’ll end up getting NO techs from it!), and 6 available. Units: 8(2) sett./ 20 inf/5 mount/ 1 gun/ 2(1) dip/ 9(13) camel
1680 -- Chemistry Malaca produces 220 beakers out of the empire’s total of 396
1700 -- Pay 50g for a CF with Zulu (have a camel near their territory; non demanded delivery pays about 3x the CF bribe.)
1710 -- discover Gunpowder. Finally disband Carthage -- Malaca almost full size
1730 -- discover Leadership; also discover about this time that the layout is a 20X80 framework & that the south is the other pole. Also discover that the distance is about 10 diagonals, so the “20X80” means very little room for the remaining civs.
1750 -- 27 cities, 40 techs, 7M pop. discover BB
1756 -- discover Exp (camel to Paris = 300+g; later two camels to Pasar…net 300+ & 500+, both demanded.; the game strategy begins to shift)
1758 -- discover Metal
1762 -- bought two elephants (82 g each; used one to kill a barb leader (150g) had to disband the other in the nearby city (unsupportable) overall a good deal. 25 more of these deals should make up for the barb events early on in the game.
1766 -- 28 cities, 44 techs discover conscription
1768 -- build SoL
1772 -- discover Tactics (to be continued...)

 

[ElephantU]

Originally posted by Old n Slow
1510 -- discover that turns are still moving at ten years instead of 5 years as expected -- not a major problem except for one who would like to watch for oedo years

I was wondering about that too. I havent played king lately, so I checked the table in War Academy and it said 1000AD to 1500AD 10yr/turn, 1500AD-1750 5yr/turn, but this game seems more like Emperor: 0-1500AD 20yr/turn, 1500-1750 10yr/turn. Could that be due to "custom" map?

 

[GaryNemo]

I noticed the same thing, an oedo wierdness. 2050NC worked fine for Monarchy. 60AD worked for Republic. Something was odd as I went to Democracy in 1340 AD. It worked, but I recall being confused that it worked.

Btw, I can finish whenevern I run out of time. 1766AD.

 

[GaryNemo]

Very dry land, not much fun. The "Ring World" (Larry Niven?) made defense of borders trivial. Never many Settlers. Finished without Rail Road Pollution, nor Chivalry so IPRB=20 the whole game. (IPRB means I micromanaged constantly, always buying up to a round 20 shields for nearly everything, every turn)

0560 Medicine, Research: Engr over Bridge Univ Nav.
0600 Engr R: Invent over Univ Bridge Feud Sanit. Fpunded Caernarfon Wine. Bribe Zulu Eleph $146 None. We renounce this worthless treaty! Persians kill a Phalanx, Now they will pay!

0620 2980,000 pop 16c, Lux 20,40,40% killed 7 Persians. 20,00,80%
0640 3510,000 in 16c $46 -8 Sc 251/4 28T, F11 Mfg=96, FS=3.0
0660 Captured Susa $82, Fdd Tingis Desert oil. $51 -9. Sc 253/3
0680 Invention R: Feud Bach over Gun Sant Bridge Democ Nav.
PLAN: Explosive Engineers, Bach Democ, Farmland Cannons.
Bribe Persian warrior $112, None, on their Mtn. Fr Crusader dead.
0700 Barb legions near Caernarfon NoMansLand...
0720 Crusader killed Persian Catapult. Senate dislikes French.
0740 Crusader & 2 Catapults storm Pasargadae, $111g! 20,00,80%
0760 Feudalism, R: Univ Engr over Theology Bridge Democ Nav.
3560,000 19c, $54-11, Sci 263/4 30T, Mfg=103, FS=3.5
9.Sett+4 10.Dip+1 6.Caravan+8 Zulu Archer broke Cease Fire!
0780 Built SHAKESPEARE, Carthage Coal Paris PAID $178?Can't recall$, lost in Windows Crash! Fr Sett $384, Forget it.
0800 Univ, R: Gun over Chem Theo Sanit, Bridge Econ Chiv Grav. Killed Barb Legion w Leader. Bribe Fr Settlers, $328 None.
0840 killed Persian DIPLOMAT

0860 GUNPOWDER R: Metal over Democ Sant Brdge Nav Chv Gravty . No Explosve nor Theology. Fdd Caerphilly, Tintagel (Rusaddit)
Crusader storms Persepolis $138, PERSIANS DESTROYED.

0880 3880,000 in 22c, F5 $55 -11, Sci 283/4 32T, Mfg=123 FS=3.8
0900 Carthage Gold Malaca PAID $72+4
0920 Metal, R: Chem over Theo Democ Bridge Econ Nav. Trireme $94
0940 Carthage Gold Utica PAID $63+4
0980 Chemistry, R: Explo Engr over Sanit Theo Bridge Econ Grav Chiv
1000 AD, built LEONARDO, MUSKETS CANNON. Hut: $50g, Zimbabwe!
4100,000 22c, $62 -13, Sci 288/4 34T, Mfg=127, FS=3.7 20,00,80%
1.Aqua 2.Market+3 5.Temple+1 1.Library 3.Harbor+2   12.Sett+5 11.Dip+0 5.Carav+9 24.Musket+1 1.Horse 5.Crusader 4.Cannon 2.Explorer 1.Trireme+1 34.Supported 15.None Casualties: 1.Warr 1.Phx

1020 Malaca Wine Carthage PAID $60+4.
1040 Explosive ENGINEERS! R: Sanit over Democ Bridge Gravity Nav Chiv, no Theology. Moving Cannon to Paris.
1060 Out of nowhere, Senate signs Peace Treaty with French! What!?
Carthage Copper Paris PAID $162. Bribe Zulu Pikeman $393 None. Then the French demanded we withdraw from Paris, I did, and my new Zulu Pikeman also disappeared back into Lyons! Drat!
1080 Fdd Cork (Selinus), Senate CF w Zulus 4290,000 pop.
1100 Sanitation R: Theology over Democ Bridge Econ Nav. Loc Aztec Tlatelolco! Hut: Musket None. Founded Antioch, Rhymney St? (Himera, Akragas), Carthage Silver Panormus PAID $52+3, 4430,000 20,30,50%
1120 Paris threatens us, 13 WLTK! A Blessing - unable to expel a Zulu Dip, our Hawks allowed its destruction, and the French then declared WAR! Founded Alalia (Theveste) Hill Mine Fish Fur. 4500,000 $75 -15, Sci 189/6
1140 Zulus spared our Dip! Cannons attack Paris, won one, lost one
5240,000 in 26c, French Crusader kills Explorer.
1160 Carthage Gold Utilca PAID $75+3. Lost Musket on Orleans Phx!
5680,000 in 26c, $85 -22, Sci 214/5, F11 Mfg=145 FS=3.6
1180 Theology, R: Bridge over Econ Gravity Chiv, No Democracy. Malaca Wine Carthage PAID $75 6120,000 pop F5 $88 -23, Sci 237/5 Mfg=154
1200 Barb Crusaders, Bribe $82 Susa, killed one.
1220 Barbs died, leader... Zulus killed Dip, 6660,000 $90-25 244/5
1240 Fdd Alsace Hill Mine (Saguntum) Carthage Copper Paris $206 20,20,60%
6950,000 in 27c, $84 -25, Sci 314/4 37T, F11 Mfg=162 FS=3.7 Tarsus, Subvert Barb Tenochtitlan $364, has Granary=$60, 2 Archers & Dip!
1260 Bridge, R: Democ over Gravity Nav Chiv
1280 Barb Leader: $150 7620,000 in 29c, $88 -27, 328/4, Mfg=183
Subvert Barb Teotihuacan $364, 4 Archers $0.
1300 Carthage Gold Malaca $108. Democ, R: Econ over Nav Chiv.
1320 Carthage Spice Utica $93+7, Panormus Wine Carthage $67+4. Bribe Zulu Crusaders $202 None. 30,20,50% 7940,000 $157 -30, Sci 286/5 OEDO!
1340 FORMED DEMOCRACY, Barb Knights @Cork, bribe 2*$82, Carthage Copper AI Paris $214. 7970,000 $189 -34, Sci 367/4 Bribe Zu Cru $166 None, then lost 2 dips: Barb Knights & @ Zulu Isandhlwana. 30,20,50%
1360 BUILT BACH, Several WLTK, Barb leader $150, Fdd CaWhala. 8010,000.
1380 Econ, R: Conscription over Gravity Chivalry, no Electricity! Carthage Copper Paris $214. 8520,000 $196 -37, Sci 393/4, Mfg=204
1400 Zimbabwe Zulu SUN TZU 8860,000 30,30,40%
1420 Many WLTK, Fdd Avignon Hill Mine, old war horse kills Zulu Dip 9360,000
1440 Conscript, R: Nav ReFridge over Gravity Chivalry. Moving Cannon to Paris, AI talks, Senate Peace Treaty! Zulu Peace Treaty! Bribe Barb Archer $61 supported. Fdd Gordium Hill Mine 10400,000
1460 French insist we withdraw, drat! 10990,000
1480 French Attack & Die! Girba Gold Carthage $96+5, 11490,000 pop.

1500 AD 11860,000 in 33c, $247 -48, Sci 370/4 41T, Mfg=236, FS=3.0 13.Engineers+3 15.Caravan+13 13.Dip+2 34.Rifle+5 11.Mounted+0 6.Cannon+2 2.Trireme 2.Explorer , 2.Barx 3.Sewer 5.Aqua+2 1.Univ 1.Libr 1.Bank+1 4.Market+3 9.Temple 8.Harbor+1 , 49.Supported 19.None , Casualties:_3.Troops 1.Cannon 3.Dip 1.Explorer Treas=$812 30,30,40%

1510 BUILT STATUE OF LIBERTY, Navigation, R: Physics Refridge over Fundy Chivalry. Four Cannon shots at Paris, lost one.
1520 Zulus broke CF, Aztecs broke CF, we lost 2 Rifles! Crusader & Rifles assault and destroy Tlatelolco, AZTECS DESTROYED.
Carthage Copper Paris paid $214 again!
1530 12750,000 in 34c, $263 -53, Sci 387/4 42T, Mfg=250, FS=3.0
Cannon storm Paris, $573 & Market, but they remain! Subvert Zulu Orleans $430 -$80 Barx Archer & Phx. Senate Peace Treaty! Advance on Isandhlwana with Rifle & Dip, Lux 60%, We Renounce! Govt falls & is restored.
1540 Subvert Isandhlwana $380, got $80 3.Troops Caravan Market Walls.
1550 MARCO POLO, Physics, R: Gravity over hateful Chivalry & Fundy, No Electricity! Subvert Ulundi $588 -$90 Barx Market Walls 3.Troops. Fdd.Iona 5 Enemy cities remain. Found French, Peace Treaty, must Subvert them!
1560 Killed Barb Eleph, Fdd TchWhale, WFish
1570 Caernarfon Coal Malaca $97+3 14250,000
1580 Gravity, R: Magnet , Steam Atom Chv, Fdd NTlatelolco 14890,000
1590 Barb Knights too, $82, Bribe Fr Settler $196 None, Subvert Rhiems 2x=$120, got $74, FRENCH DESTROYED. NCardiff Silver Carthage PAID $97, 15080,000 pop, lost Crusader! Barbs capture TchWhale!
1600 Subvert Hlobane $774, got $94 Barx Walls 3.Troops. Senate Treaty!
1610 Built LIGHTHOUSE for points, Zulu Bapedi built GREAT LIBRARY,
Magnetism GALLEONS, R: Steam over Atomic Fundy, No Electricity. Barb Leader: $150 15480,000 pop 30,30,40%
1620 Rusucurru Coal Utica $70+3 Carthage Gold Utica $108
15930,000 pop $338 -75, Sci 437/4
1630 Carthage Coal Utica $90, Subvert Barb TchWhale $26.

1640 Bapedi insists we withdraw! Ok. Steam, R: Electricity over RR Atomic Chiv Fundy. 16650,000 $371 -82, Sci 466/4 46T, F11 Mfg=327 FS=3.2
5.Sewer 12.Aqua 2.Bank 1.Univ 1.Libr 11.Market 10.Temple 11.Harb 3.Barx Carthage Coal Utica $90, Rus>ucurru Silk Carthage $102, Fdd Gadium

1650 Built ADAM SMITH, Carthage Copper Cartenna $76, subvert Intombe $912 -43, 1 Phx, building City Walls! , Pasarg Wine Carthage paid $210. Fdd TOil 16810,000 in 46c, $387 -49, Sci 481/4, F11 Mfg=331 FS=3.3
1660 Electricity, R: Atomic over Chiv! 3 Barb Crusaders @Isandhlwana, Girba Silver Carthage $87, Carthage Spice Panormus $84, Rigle killed 1 Crusader,l Bribe $82, killed third, Frigate remains, no leader. 16990,000 30,30,40%
1670 Carthage Coal Utica $90, Utica Silk Carth $108, Fdd Valley 17530,000
1680 Atomic, R: REFRIDGE over RR Fundy Chiv. Carth Gold Mal $120, 18000,000
1690 Built ORACLE, I'm sure one Explorer disappeared! 18620,000
1700 Advancing on Bapedi... 00,60,40%
1710 They bluster, many WLTK, ReFridge, R: Fundy over RR Chiv. Polar Hut: Supported Musket! Carth Coal Malaca $100. 19700,000
1720 We renounce this worthless treaty! WAR! Govt collapses, 6 cities riot, no problem due to Statue of Liberty and temporary 60% Luxuries. Democracy is reformed. Cannon storm Bapedi City Walls, plunder $56, Colossus and Great Library. Senate Peace Treaty. Bribe Zulu Settler $204, now Bapedi will shrink into the desert! Ai Bapedi was Size=3, surrounded by 9 irrigated desert and 4 mines!

1730 Built EIFFEL TOWER. Food storage exhaused in Bapedi, newly purchased Settlers lost. ZIMBABWE=$500
20000,000 pop. $765 -65, Sci 24/70, Mfg=360 FS=3.1 50,50,00%
1740 Fdd SWhale 22320,000 pop, $783 -69, 24/70 Mfg=378 F9=929
1750 23960,000 in 49 cities F9=956 Supermarkets etc. ZIMBABWE = $1000
1752 Carth Copper Leptis $94 25670,000 F9=979
1754 26880,000 F9=1009
1756 Built GREAT WALL 28150,000 pop, F9 698 +320 +25 = 1043
1758 Built MAGELLAN 29460,000, F9 717 +340 +25 =1092 40,60,00%
4.Supermkt+1 11.Sewer+1 4.Bank+2 22.Aqua+7 1.Colo 15.Engr+3 14.Carv+14
1760 30830,000, F9 734 +340 +25 =1099
1762 Caernarfon Silver Utica $120. 32400,000 F9 751,340 =1116
1764 4 Barb Crusaders near TOil. Bribed $82, w Knights killed them all! 34300,000 F9 781 +340 +25 = 1146 (+Peace 27?)
1766 built ISAAC NEWTON. Only King Richard remains. 36190,000
1768 Paris Silk Carthage paid $189, $907 -136 Sci 36/47 40,60,00%
38110,000 F9 828 +360 +25 = 1213 (+Peace 33?)
1770 Carth Gold Cartenna $120, 40240,000 in 49 cities.
1772 Gades built KING RICHARD, my last Wonder. Leptis Coal Carthage paid $130. Fdd TMtn, city #50. 42300,000 20,80,00%
1774 Girba Wine Carth $95. 44900,000 F9 930 +380 +42 +25 = 1377
@00,100,00% F9 935 +380 +42 +25 = 1382.
Subvert Zimbabwe 2x = $992, no incident. SUN TZU, ZULU DESTROYED.
Final 947 +400 +42 Peace +25 Barbs = 1414 113%? Hannibal the Just.

Finished early by 2.5 Hours. To: DoM@Civfanatics.net

 

[Jayne]

It's funny how peoples games differ. GaryNemo, you finished by destroying the Zulus. In my game, they were destroyed in the first couple of goes by the French!

 

[ElephantU]

OldnSlow - RingWorld! Perfect!

 

[grigor]

OK, Here is the kind of cut and dried log. THe interesting part is the first 2000 years, although I didn't play them as elegantly as I might have. For some resaon it didn't occur to me that Pyramids would be huge with all the slow growth...

My preliminary survey:
--Terrain near us looks plainsy (that's why 2 settlers). =>ICS with roads. But the Hut Contents will decide. The water next to us is a lake.

Three potential starting plans:
-building on the grassland is normal, followed by founding 2nd city quickly on first good terrain. Build a horse then a settler. Science will be slowish, but depending on the presumed special good stuff could happen fast. If it is a production special, could get 2 settlers down fast, then on to colossus. Or build colossus elsewhere on the main ocean. Wheat can be mined to silk.

-- Second alternative- build on presumed 4-special site and work spice. That way the hut could be opened first giving exploring room. Another city needs to be on the big ocean, but that can be later. The spice can be roaded in 2 later turns for faster science. Size 1 settler is not possible with this scenario...And the city is on plains and not on the main ocean..

--What about building on the spice square? There will be slow growth but good science at first leading to faster monarchy. Spice gives +1 food and 4 arrows in Despotism - could lead to size 1 settler followed by early Monarchy. 2 turns of grass + 2 turns of plains leads to Alph in 4 turns. Size 1 settler at 3200. 3 cities at 3000. (capital never builds setlers) Could have 5 cities by 2400 with some decent terrain. (as can be seen, that was an optimistic plan...) . Early Library will be huge. Growth will be slow, but specials will help. That sounds like an interesting plan.

BC
3950* hut: 25 gold! Size 1 settler will work. Carthage founded on Spice, working grass. Alph
3900 which way to explore? Need to road around the capital.
3800 working ocean for science
3750* Alph=>CoL (18). Prebuild warriors 13g. roading a square. Still working Ocean for 3 turns
3500 CoL=>CB (24) 3 turns on ocean.
3350* working irrigated plains.
3250 Found Pheasant!
3200 buy settler 19g.
3150* CB=> Monarchy! (28) Hadn't expected to see it in the list. Building Barracks for library.
3050 Utica founded. Working roaded grass and ocean for quick monarchy.
2950* settler to wheat. Working forest.
2900 Malaca founded near wheat.
2750Monarchy=>Writ (40). Utica builds Horse. Discover shielded grass to W.
2700 OK, I found the whale.. Guess I should have built on the 4 special. Revolution
2650 gov: Monarchy. Hut found. River system found.
2600 Hut: Chariot (Malaca)
2550* French: Myst, Masonry for Alph, Mon, CoL. Peace. Writing (56)
2500 French: give HB. Withdraw Troops
2400 Celts:Cardiff: trade Myst for Writing. Tribute: 50g. Peace. Prebuild Barracks switch to Library.
2350 * researching Currency (80)
2300 hut:50g. Build Library
2250 Persians, very near Celts. get Iron W, give CB, Myst. Peace.
2200 Horse withdrawn to Utica.
2050 find Paris. Currency=>Trade (120). Caralis founded.

2000 Cities: 4. (2,2,1,1). 1 settler. Science: 9 discovered. (11bk/turn) Growth in this bad terrain has been terrible. I will need Maps right away to do 2 continent trading. Somebody has wheel. No Carthaginian cities in top 5. (Zimbabwe size 3) 1st in most categories, incl Pop. Looks like Colossus will be about 1250 at best. (turns out to be 625 BC...)

1900 Panormus on Whale, Oasis...
1750* Celts: Maps for Iron W. They withdraw. French: War. Kill French warrior.
1600Carthage: Dip for protection. Find Zulus:give CB; peace.
1550* Trade=>Constr. (156) Hut: Legion (Panormus)
1450 Kells found, in my neighborhood.
1400 Celts demand withdraw- no!- war.
1350* First Polar hut: nomads.
1300 French horse kills my chariot. Wah.
1050 Most Powerful: Persians, French, Carthage, Zulu, Celts

1000 No cities more than size 3. pop 180,000. 1st in everything except income. Science: 12 techs learned. 21 bk/turn. Cartenna founded fish,oil.

975* subvert Persian Phalanx (55g)
950 Rusicade founded. Irrigation around Carthage started. Boy, is this slow.
850 Gades founded
825 Pottery=>Seaf
775* Ruscurru founded
725 hut: adv tribe. Leptis Magna founded (in terrible location) Hut:NONE legion.
675* Seafaring=>Math. Cartenna builds Trireme. Whale discovered near Gades!
625 French: peace, withdraw, tribte 150g!. OK. Finish Colossus 92g.
600 Build Colossus
500 Mathematics=>Wheel (240)

475 * Carthago Nova founded (fish)
425 Polar hut: nomads.
400 Attack Celt legion- NONE Legion is vet.
375* Oea founded (Polar, fish)
350 Wine: Caralis=>Carthage (d,40g)
325 Persians: Bridge Building. Wheel=>Literacy
300 Polar hut: NONE horse
200 hut: NONE horse
175* Literacy=>Republic
125 Cardiff Captured. 90gp. Celts destroyed. Aztecs: give literacy. Peace.
50 Carthage builds Hanging Gardens. Persians: trade Literacy for Bridges. get 75g
25 Republic. Instant revolution.

1AD 16 cities. pop: 720,00. Carthage, Utica, Malaca all in top 5. Many cities in celebration. 1st in most everything. SCIENCE: 19 techs. (84 bk/turn). Celebrations in progress
80 Alalia founded Carthage size 8 builds aqueduct
100* Panormus Salt to Paris (d, 152) Lux to 40
120 Most Powerful: Persians, Carthage, Aztec, Zulu, French. Tarsus subverted (73x2), WC
140 Carthage builds Pyramids. Persians to GL. Carthage Copper to Paris (d, 296)
160 Persians: give republic. Troops withdraw.
180* Carthage builds Coliseum. Lux 50%
200 Astr=>Phil (575). . Carthage size 12. set lux to 20
220 Polar hut: nomads. Cardiff gold to Carthage (u, 70)
260* Carthage builds Cope's. Malaca Copper to Carthage (u, 50)
280 Philosophy, Univ=>Inv
300 Tingis Hides to Garthage (U, 48)
320 Subvert Pasargidae (142x2), get 39 back
340* Zimbabwe builds LH. Pasargadae builds GL. Persians - give HB, WH, Trade for peace. Inv=>Bank
360 Zulu sneak attack - kill legion.
420* Bank=>Demo
440 Selinus founded near Paris.
460 Tenochtitlan builds Great Wall
480 Carthage builds Leonardo.

500* -Demo at next Oedo (3 turns), university built soon.

520 Himera founded on Persian Lake. A potential big city
540* Barbs land in North. Democracy = ToG -instant rev.
560 deal with happiness. High taxes for a few turns.
580 Carthage builds Univ
600 get rid of last Barbs near Leptis Parve.
640 Subvert Hlobane. Poly.
660 Zulus-Senate forces peace.
700 ToG=> Mono
720 Rusicade Cloth to Cardiff (d, 55)
740 - Carthage builds Newton.
760 Monotheism=>Med
780 Accept 200 for alliance with French and war with Zulus. Tingis Dye to Tarsus (d, 64)
80 0Med=>Chem . Demand Tribute from French: alliance dissolved.
840 Bapedi subverted
860 Zulus: Senate forces cease-fire. Chem=>San
900 Akragas founded
940 San=>Gun.
960 Carthage builds Mike's
980 Lept Parva Silver to Carthage (d, 115)
1000 Gunpowder=>expl Girba Dye to Panormus (d, 46)
1020
1040 Explosives=>econ
1060 Persepolis completes MPE.
1080 Embassy with Persians. (only 4 cities)
1100 Econ=>metal Carthage spice to Malaca (d, 93)
1140 Metal=>conscr
1160 Carthage builds Adam Smith
1180 Conscr=>Feudalism
1220 Zulus attack. Feudalism=>Nav
1260 French sneak attack. Nav=>Phys. Carthage builds Shakespeare. Sell coliseum.
1300 Phys=>Theo. Zimbabwe captured (Lighthouse). Senate forces Peace. Bribe next rturn.
1320 Carthage builds Magellan's. bribe last Zulu cities. Zulus destroyed.
1340 Theo=>Magnets
1380 Magnets=>Steam. Arbela subverted.
1410 Steam E=>Elec
1420 Paris conquered. Orleans subverted. French destroyed
1460 Elec=>Atomic.. JS Bach in Carthage
1500 Atom Th=>Refrig
1520 Refrig=>RR Polar Hut: 50g
1540 RR=>Chiv
1550 Aztecs: suggest War on Persians. OK
1560 Chiv=>Indust. Carthage completes Darwin (Indust, Corp!!). Akragas Silver Freight to Carthage (d, 172r)
1580 Barbs near Bapedi. Leadership=>Tact
1590 Carthage builds Sun Tzu
1600 Tactics=>Steel
1620 Steel=>Electronics. Barbleader! 150g. My only one this game
1630 Persepolis captured. (MPE, GL)
1640 Electronics=>Gen Eng Polar Hut:None Riflemen
1650 Akragas Gold to Tenochtitlan (d, 438r)
1660 Gen Eng=>Mach T. Arbela subverted (390, get 125). Hut: Rifleman (Persepolis). Susa captured. Persians destroyed. Tenochtitlan captured. (70g). Texcoco subverted (252 x2, get 63g)
1670 Barbs land near Utica Uh-oh! we are in big trouble here... Carthage grants Women's Suffrage. Barbs all bribed by dip. Whew!
1680 Machine Tools=>Refining
1700 Refining=>Min
1720 Min=>Combust. Teotihuan in revot - subverted for 2x. (Great Wall)
1740 Combustion =>flight. Many caravans, demanded.
1750 Carthage: Hoover. Flight cancels Colossus=>Radio
1754 Radio=>adv flight
1758 Adv Flight=<Auto
1760 Auto Cancels Leonardo=>Rockets. Aztecs foolishly declare war... Texcoco (one warrior...) pounded by Dragoons and captured. Only one Aztec city left.
1764 Barbs land in force near Ulundi. Have to set tax highter this turn to bribe them next.
1766 Barbs all bribed.
1768 Rockets=>Fundy (no Space Flight).
1772 Fundy=>Mass Prod
1774 Carthage builds Cure for Cancer
1776 Mass Prod =>Computers. Lots of celebration. Gold to Himera (d,555r)
1778 Computers=>Space Flight. Carthage coal to Tenochtitlan (d, 1067,r) Turin Oil to Carthage (d, 800)
1780 Space Flight=>Plastics Carthage builds SETI.
1782 Carthage builds Apollo. Plasitics=>Nukes Aztecs-War...
1784 Nuclear Fission=>Nuke power. Texcoco oil to Carthage (d, 892)
1786 Nuke Power=>Laser
1788 Laser=>Comm. Tlateloco Oil to Carthage (d, 926) Buy lots of aqueducts etc. Big bucks coming- it's time for a huge spaceship.
1790 Communism=>Superc . Polar hut: 50g
1792 Superconductor=>Fusion Carthage builds 1st module. Last Polar Hut: Rifleman
1794 Fusion=>Esp Set Science to 10%.
1798 Barbs reduce new City in Aztecland. Espionage=>Mobile W
1802 Mobile W=>Robots
1804 Robotics=>Amphib W
1808 Amph W=>Recycle - Utica Oil to Teotichuan (d, 1050)
1810 Recycle=>Env
1812 Environmental=>Comb Arms
1816 Combined Arms =>Guerilla
1818 Carthage builds United Nations. Guerilla=>Labor Union
1822 Labor Union=>Stealth
1824 Stealth=>Future Tech 1
1834 Future 1=>Future 2.. SS Launched: 39-8-8-4-4-4 ETA 1845
1836 Guerrilla uprising. Future 2. Build all other wonders.
1838 Future 3
1840 Future 4
1843 Future 5
1844 Paris builds Manhattan (the last wonder) Luxuries up.
1845 Hannibal the Wise 187%.

 

[Old n Slow]

The End Game part 1
Usually after I have Tactics, I start my conquering plans. For this game I still had areas unknown (Zulu & Aztecs to some extent). Caravan deliveries are sporadic, but significant deliveries include 1 to Paris for 274g & another to Pasar for 528g. The SSC generates 354 of the empire’s 565 beakers with science at 50%. Next set of turns have techs arriving at 1 per three turns, with Nav, Phy, Mag & Steam all arriving by 1800. We build Magellan, Paris build’s Adam Smith -- that city now has three Wonders -- and two turns later, Paris is ours.

1804 -- RR; 1810, -- Elec, 1818 -- Refr; All right. I’ve had it. Take Pasar, but this effort is going too slowly. Still have a Supreme/Spotless Record -- time to go fundy & clean up the mess.

1822 buy Arbela -- Persia is gone.

1828 -- ARGH! a barb boat appears off the southern coast & dragoons pop out slaying my rifle defender in Akrages -- do I want to save the city to the cost of 13K? (What 13K?!! How did I ever have that much money laying around? I’ve so busy building, moving, finally setting up boat chain that I haven’t paid attention to the coffers piling up -- I could have been buying!) No I’ll let that barbs have the city -- I’ll buy it back. however, the loss is extreme -- the city has three galleons -- one with four camels al bound for the newly found Tlatelolco (a decent sized city on another rock, on the other side of the world from my SSC). The loss of the city was shruggable; the loss of the camels was a round of technology.
1830 -- Discover Industrial; build/buy Darwin’s. bribe Teo’s (624g, get 487 backg Darwin’s brings Commy & ESP
1842 -- Buy Badepi for 472g, get 572g back (plus a city, infrastructure & units as a bonus) not a bad deal at all. buy Tex (Aztecs down to one city)
1846 -- Discover Corp
End Game part 2
By 1852, the last Zulu city is purchased, the last French city becomes a capital, but it is taken & both of those civs are gone. Pop = 11M & the gov is switched to Demo. For the next ten turns, the population nearly triples, ten techs are discovered, one per turn as the boat chain delivers three to five trucks -- undemanded collecting 574g and demanded freight two and half times that, 1435g (which is about 2/3 of the beakers required for an advance).
1862 -- sent to D of M.
Lessons Learned -- 1) spend $$ keep the coffers to a manageable level -- sometimes poverty has value too, 2) get the boats out -- make distant trade a habit.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

I read this entire thread just now. This month I got to a late start due to an out of town trip. I wanted to do an OCC but when I saw Duke saying several people submitted in a day, I figured I will go for a quick conquest instead.
Since I never go for a quick conquest I decided to take my time and be careful in early game and I did that till about 500BC. Then I did not get a chance to play till I had only a few days late. There was not enogh time to switch strategy to space ship and there was not enough time to carefully plan my conquest. I had to rush through carelessly and my empire was a mess. I finished before 10pm on Nov. 5th but I had little fun! What a waste. I finished in 1796. I will post the log later.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Originally posted by ElephantU
_met Uncoop Celt settler on mtn (only one spoon!)
...
Neut Persian Horse approaches (two spoons):

What is a spoon?

Originally posted by ElephantU
One question: aside from freedom from bribery, is there any other advantage to Democracy over Republic in OCC?

The only other serious advantage is that you can set the Science rate above 80%. This becomes crucial in late game when you are trying to research space ship as fast as possible. Thus, typically, you do not gain anything by switching to Democracy as soon as you discover it. But you may as well do it, since you have to do it later on anyways.
The other minor advantage of Democracy in OCC is that your Palace turns one content citizen into a happy one. This helps later celebrations (beyond 20).
As already discussed the fact that there is no corruption in Democracy is irrelevant in OCC. So is the fact that a city that revoltes for two turns consecutively overthrows the government.

Originally posted by Sasebo
Also someone once told me that Isaac newton and copernicus would not work together so I did not built them in the same city although I surely could have.

That someone is most definitely wrong. They work great together both in Civ2 and Civ1. Those two plus Colossus make a Science city. A strategy used by many players including myself.

Originally posted by Kemal
My view regarding the use of different versions is that considering that the main goal of the GotM is to compare one's skill in playing civ2 to other players' skill, all players using the same version would be a great help, especially since there is so much difference in AI behaviour between these versions

I, and others, play on the Macintosh. I am not sure, but I think it is unlikely that the Mac versions correspond to the Win versions exactly. So we have to just let this be.

Originally posted by Boli
I vote for a larger map next time. This small map made all of my usual tactics forfit

I beg to differ. It is nice to have something out of oridinary every time to keep the challenge going. Well, maybe not every time, but most of the time. Looks like there are quite a few people who want to play on a real Archipelago. I too would like to do that. I volunteer to submit a map and write an essay on points to ponder.

Originally posted by Marlos
270 – Discover Trade; Aztecs nearly done with Colossus; change Utica from Oracle to Colossus
280 – Susa revolts! sign treaty with Persians; found Cattenna
300 – Colossus completed! Aztecs switch to GW

Why did it take Aztecs more than three turns to finish Colossus when there were nearly done? Whenever I get that warning the AI gets done the very next turn. They would beat me even if I am due to finish the very next turn as well. The only way I have found to beat them is to purchase the remaining sheilds. Could others please comment on their experience?

Originally posted by grigor
3950* hut: 25 gold! Size 1 settler will work. Carthage founded on Spice, ...

It is Gems not Spice. Spice you get in a swamp, Gems in a Jungle.

 

[Marlos]

Originally posted by Ali Ardavan
What is a spoon?

He is referring to the number of spears that appear on the left-hand side of the diplomacy screen. They represent the civ's military strength. In ancient times, they are meant to look like spears, but they do not have a sharp point on them. Later in the game, they become rifles.



My wife calls them "spoons". I thought that she was the only one!

 

[ElephantU]

Originally posted by Marlos

He is referring to the number of spears that appear on the left-hand side of the diplomacy screen. They represent the civ's military strength. In ancient times, they are meant to look like spears, but they do not have a sharp point on them. Later in the game, they become rifles. My wife calls them "spoons". I thought that she was the only one!

More than just military strength, they represent the "power rating" of the civ you are talking to. Your own power rating you can find from the Foreign Advisor screen (once you meet the first enemy civ). The power rating seems to be based on population, gold and techs. Not sure the exact formulas there, though... (anybody got a link?)

I did OCC on GOTM21 and tried to keep myself Mighty, which corresponds to the KeyCiv of Orange (what a coincidence!). Lost it a few times when my treasury got too big and my beaker count quadrupled! Rush-Bought a few Improvements to get my treasury back down and voila. Most of the late game I was doing a tech every two turns, with occasional one turn techs when I delivered a freight to the Aztecs. Lotsa fun, but finished too late to submit. Sigh.