Gotm19-Ottomans Results and Congratulations
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Originally posted by SirPleb
It is funny to not see 2050 dates in the results. I guess that might swing back the other way now with the coveted (by some - I still want to get them) cows looking like a less hotly contested target.
My feeling was in the right place and I knew that I would be the only one who would dare to reach for the year 2050 AD in this game. This small map was just too perfect for a little farm and everything seemed going well for my dairy cows too; unfortunately, my job had to come first.
Of course, there will always be a "next time".
OneFastWarrior
Asthma Hound Chihuahua
Boy, I sure sucked, again, for the 2nd month in a row I was next to last. BUT>.........
I have learned alot and I will continue to submit, Even if I lose!!
I will eventually win a gotm. I am learning more, I know I am as I can see it in my play. All I need is to have some #$%$&^%@ Patience while playing my #%@ game!!
to all Awesome games again by top players.
Thanks to Moonsinger for her trading thread ( even though I was not able to participate, I read it and lots of learning )
I have learned alot and I will continue to submit, Even if I lose!!
I will eventually win a gotm. I am learning more, I know I am as I can see it in my play. All I need is to have some #$%$&^%@ Patience while playing my #%@ game!!
to all Awesome games again by top players.Thanks to Moonsinger for her trading thread ( even though I was not able to participate, I read it and lots of learning
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Hmm...maybe there should be a special medal for the victory that had the least time put into it?
In fact I might try for that in GOTM20 -- I haven't even be able to start yet, and since I'm going on a holiday starting on the 18th it doesn't look likely that I will
But maybe I can try for a "under 5 hours" Deity win and see if I can squeeze our 5 hours to do it in
For some reason all my games since the PTW timer feature was added have taken almost exactly 20 hours. I can't remember any completed solo game which has taken under 18 hours or over 22 hours.
Oh please! After two Deity victories in succession games, I'm definitely expecting to see a convincing victory from you in GotM 20. From Renata and hotrod also. Would give me some satisfaction even if I can't play
-Sirp.
In fact I might try for that in GOTM20 -- I haven't even be able to start yet, and since I'm going on a holiday starting on the 18th it doesn't look likely that I will
But maybe I can try for a "under 5 hours" Deity win and see if I can squeeze our 5 hours to do it in
For some reason all my games since the PTW timer feature was added have taken almost exactly 20 hours. I can't remember any completed solo game which has taken under 18 hours or over 22 hours.
Oh please! After two Deity victories in succession games, I'm definitely expecting to see a convincing victory from you in GotM 20. From Renata and hotrod also. Would give me some satisfaction even if I can't play
-Sirp.
hotrod0823
Deity
Working on it
Originally posted by Sirp
Oh please! After two Deity victories in succession games, I'm definitely expecting to see a convincing victory from you in GotM 20. From Renata and hotrod also. Would give me some satisfaction even if I can't play
I hope so, too, but I'll still have Deity Paranoia Factor (tm) until I start winning on Deity consistently. I still want to win a straight-up solo game, but these little things called GOTM discussions keep sidetracking the time spent playing/time spent reading & posting ratio.
Darkness
Shadow creature
Wow, I'm 13th! My highest finish so far...
Congrats to all the players who submitted and especially SirPleb!
Awesome game....
Congrats to all the players who submitted and especially SirPleb!
Awesome game....
CruddyLeper
Unworshipped Deity
I rather doubt I'll ever make top 10 in the GOTM - but I must admit I enjoyed 19 a lot more than 18 (my first).
It was nice to see my place rise a little, although that was down to bad luck in 18 and very good luck in 19.
Congratulations all round, and if you enjoy this as much as I do, there's a lot of people out there having a good time.
Special respect also to those who lost and still submitted - things are not going well for me in 20 so I might end up joining you.
It was nice to see my place rise a little, although that was down to bad luck in 18 and very good luck in 19.
Congratulations all round, and if you enjoy this as much as I do, there's a lot of people out there having a good time.
Special respect also to those who lost and still submitted - things are not going well for me in 20 so I might end up joining you.
Originally posted by CruddyLeper
Special respect also to those who lost and still submitted - things are not going well for me in 20 so I might end up joining you.
Position 221 with my first submission... rather chuffed with that since I've never won a game!! Not even on chieftain... there I've admitted it...
Still I do tend to get bored by the time the industrial age ends so I usually retire early...
GOTM20 is going pretty well but I'm sensing I'm about to be ganged up on... free gpt Mr Agressive AI Ruler?
Mark Cutt
Analytic Chieftain
I'm sorry to continue to post analyses on the same subject but I'm intrigued by the relationship between QSC and the full game.
I extracted form the QSC and full game ranking the 61 players who partecipated to both and I created two new QSC and full game ranking with only these 61 players.
Finally I calculated how each player's ranking changed between the two competition.
The outcome is no rocket science and probably will just make explicit what each players already knows about his/her own skills.
The summary is that there are players that start slowly (relatively to the average) and then greatly improve their performance in the later ages and other players (I'm in this category) that still need to work more on they middle/modern age skills.
GOTM19 vs QSC19 Ranking (only 61 players who played both)
GOTM a lot better than QSC
Adel, col, denyd, Vici, rabies, RufRydyr, Moonsinger, DaveMcW, tao , watorrey, Zwingli, flexo, Iver-P
GOTM better than QSC
pterrok, Apolex, CdB, Shillen, DaviddesJ, Greebley, Xevious , zagnut, SirPleb, lkendter
GOTM same as QSC
Txurce, Planetfall, Ronald , Aeson, alexman, BadAndy, Bremp, Hergrom, LeSphinx, civ_steve, whb, alpha_fys, KingofAmerica, Leonard, Smirk, MadScot
QSC better than GOTM
SSharlow, Darkness, el_kalkylus, Mark Cutt, Peluin, Pigumon, Creepster, vanatteveldt, jeffelammar
QSC a lot better than GOTM
BillChin , ControlFreak, Nada, Wotan, TedJackson, forged, alamo, gazza666, Email10, Mad-Bax , Aurian, hotrod0823, Ambiorix
I extracted form the QSC and full game ranking the 61 players who partecipated to both and I created two new QSC and full game ranking with only these 61 players.
Finally I calculated how each player's ranking changed between the two competition.
The outcome is no rocket science and probably will just make explicit what each players already knows about his/her own skills.
The summary is that there are players that start slowly (relatively to the average) and then greatly improve their performance in the later ages and other players (I'm in this category) that still need to work more on they middle/modern age skills.
GOTM19 vs QSC19 Ranking (only 61 players who played both)
GOTM a lot better than QSC
Adel, col, denyd, Vici, rabies, RufRydyr, Moonsinger, DaveMcW, tao , watorrey, Zwingli, flexo, Iver-P
GOTM better than QSC
pterrok, Apolex, CdB, Shillen, DaviddesJ, Greebley, Xevious , zagnut, SirPleb, lkendter
GOTM same as QSC
Txurce, Planetfall, Ronald , Aeson, alexman, BadAndy, Bremp, Hergrom, LeSphinx, civ_steve, whb, alpha_fys, KingofAmerica, Leonard, Smirk, MadScot
QSC better than GOTM
SSharlow, Darkness, el_kalkylus, Mark Cutt, Peluin, Pigumon, Creepster, vanatteveldt, jeffelammar
QSC a lot better than GOTM
BillChin , ControlFreak, Nada, Wotan, TedJackson, forged, alamo, gazza666, Email10, Mad-Bax , Aurian, hotrod0823, Ambiorix
rabies
Happy Dad
Mark Cutt
Thanks you very much for spending time on this. Quite informative. I always new I was a slow starter. I often get quite upset with just how short the QSC is. In all of the GOTMs i've played to date, my main play to improve my position/score in the game happens very shortly after the QSC cut-off. In the case of GOTM20, it happened a mere 3 turns.
I really need to strengthen my QSC portion. I guess all that black area and 'unknown' equations really makes my playing a bit reserved in that time period.
Thanks you very much for spending time on this. Quite informative. I always new I was a slow starter. I often get quite upset with just how short the QSC is. In all of the GOTMs i've played to date, my main play to improve my position/score in the game happens very shortly after the QSC cut-off. In the case of GOTM20, it happened a mere 3 turns.
I really need to strengthen my QSC portion. I guess all that black area and 'unknown' equations really makes my playing a bit reserved in that time period.
scubagtr
Scuba Gator
Wow, my loss at 211 came ahead of someone with a victory. So does that make me a good loser?
Of course, I'd trade places for a victory.
Of course, I'd trade places for a victory.
It is an interesting observation that you have made here. the one thing I think that needs to be taken into account is that they really have different objectives. The QSC is focused on the results up to 1000 BC where as the final game takes into account a lot more. Some of the players who score better in the game use an approach that does not generate the best score for a QSC but does set them up well for a good end game. A culture game is the best example I can think of here. You may sacrifice production or potential for more cities for a temple and you don't get the full results until later in the game (culture doubling earlier and for longer).
My QSC score was high because I focused on a single goal build as many cities as possible by 1000 BC. My end game was not as sucessful because I failed to have as focused a goal as I did for the QSC. I did not decide what I wanted to do until after 1000BC, and I made a huge mistake about upgading units over seas. I think that most of the top finishers have an end goal planned out shortly after they start the game and focus on achieveing that goal instead of the QSC score. IMHO, this is what allows them to perform better.
scubagtr
Scuba Gator
Creepster,
What was your mistake of upgrading units over seas? Is that a bad thing to do?
What was your mistake of upgrading units over seas? Is that a bad thing to do?
cracker
Gil Favor's Sidekick
Mark Cutt,
I also want to applaud your supplimental analysis efforts here with theQSC and the end GOTM results because this sort of process can help to set perspective.
There may not be a direct first order comparison between QSC score and oveal GOTM finish posotion because the games do have two or three distinctive phases and the QSC is only designed to measure performance in the first phase. The the fact that players can choose to win the GOTM in their choice of of 6 to 8 different ways means that the games diverge more as they get further into the game.
One thing that helps in this perspective is to look at the total QSC score and the three parts of the QSC in particular and then compare these results to groups of players that are chosed based on their final victory conditions. There are common elements of successful play that begin to emerge for you much more quickly when you see the analysis in this format.
DaveMcW's game maske a good reference point for this process even though it is a single reference point without other peers in this Qsc19 data set. Because Dave is so supremely focused on the 20k Cultural victory even from the second he makes his fist move, you will see that he ends up sacrificing growth and military power to pour resources into improvements and infrastructure that are yielding unmeasured cultural power even at this early stage of the game.
You can select the high scoring QSC games that then went for Domination victory and see how well they were positions at the end of the QSC by comparison to their final result.
There are still a great deal of intervening events that typically occur in turns 81 through 160 that can have a significant impact on shifting the rankings around.
If we had a sort of triple crown of the GOTM where we measured the Second Round Challenge just as we do the Qsc and the applied a similar process the End Game Challenge. You will find that players who perform well in the GOTM end up performing consistently well in all three phases of the overall game.
I also want to applaud your supplimental analysis efforts here with theQSC and the end GOTM results because this sort of process can help to set perspective.
There may not be a direct first order comparison between QSC score and oveal GOTM finish posotion because the games do have two or three distinctive phases and the QSC is only designed to measure performance in the first phase. The the fact that players can choose to win the GOTM in their choice of of 6 to 8 different ways means that the games diverge more as they get further into the game.
One thing that helps in this perspective is to look at the total QSC score and the three parts of the QSC in particular and then compare these results to groups of players that are chosed based on their final victory conditions. There are common elements of successful play that begin to emerge for you much more quickly when you see the analysis in this format.
DaveMcW's game maske a good reference point for this process even though it is a single reference point without other peers in this Qsc19 data set. Because Dave is so supremely focused on the 20k Cultural victory even from the second he makes his fist move, you will see that he ends up sacrificing growth and military power to pour resources into improvements and infrastructure that are yielding unmeasured cultural power even at this early stage of the game.
You can select the high scoring QSC games that then went for Domination victory and see how well they were positions at the end of the QSC by comparison to their final result.
There are still a great deal of intervening events that typically occur in turns 81 through 160 that can have a significant impact on shifting the rankings around.
If we had a sort of triple crown of the GOTM where we measured the Second Round Challenge just as we do the Qsc and the applied a similar process the End Game Challenge. You will find that players who perform well in the GOTM end up performing consistently well in all three phases of the overall game.
Nice work, Mark.
BTW, I live in Pisa -but I hope to leave asap, so I won't modify my "Location" field...
BTW, I live in Pisa -but I hope to leave asap, so I won't modify my "Location" field...
forged
Chieftain
That is an interesting category [QSC a lot better than GOTM] to end up in considering that while the game exceeded my expectations (actuallly winning a game at emperor), I feel that I have a LOT of improvement to do in all aspects of game play.
Participating in the QSC & GOTM is an awesome learning opportunity, and while I may not have enough time to appreciate all of it, I thank everyone for the opportunities it represents.
Participating in the QSC & GOTM is an awesome learning opportunity, and while I may not have enough time to appreciate all of it, I thank everyone for the opportunities it represents.
scubagtr
Scuba Gator
Well, with 3 GOTMs on the record, I decided to look for patterns, besides the 3 losses in a row. Since the numbers of the games change each time, I finished 11th (GOTM17), 27th (18), and 33rd (19) - from the bottom, so my postion is rising - slightly. Now it could be to my improving skills or that we are getting so many newbies in just starting out. But since it is my choice, I will select the first
I think I get to move up on the Monk scale pretty soon.
Does anyone have the link to the global rankings?
I think I get to move up on the Monk scale pretty soon.
Does anyone have the link to the global rankings?
ControlFreak
Not An Addict, Really
Well that explains how the master ended up beating the students. Congrats on the nice comeback LK!
I guess since you're training games for HotRod and me ended well before our diplo and spaceship wins we never got the training in the middle and late games.Actually, I think if you weren't going for domination, you got hammered in the middle game score. Just sitting on the starting continent was not the way to score high with Sipahi available.
Great games to everyone.
Originally posted by scubagtr
I failed to realize that I needed navigation to get the resources over to the Roman island. I had 20 odd horsmen waiting to attack after I upgraded them. I had The Great Lighthouse, a harbor on all three continents, and a barracks, but there was a sea or ocean tile between the landmasses that prevented the upgrade until after Navigation. I ended up unable to use about half my troops for most of the game.
I failed to realize that I needed navigation to get the resources over to the Roman island. I had 20 odd horsmen waiting to attack after I upgraded them. I had The Great Lighthouse, a harbor on all three continents, and a barracks, but there was a sea or ocean tile between the landmasses that prevented the upgrade until after Navigation. I ended up unable to use about half my troops for most of the game.
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