Gotm19-Ottomans Results and Congratulations

[Boyd]

Hello all...

Congrats to all who played and finished regardless of victory and loss... and a "wow" to the top five - TREMENDOUS!

In fact, given that I came in 192nd and I thought I played an okay game, I am very impressed.

This was my first Gotm and clearly I have a long way to go. My score though is probably reflective of my style which can be conservative (I don't go out with the intention of conquest) and more interested in building social and economic infrastructure. However, I have never won a cultural or diplomatic victory.

In terms of the scoring debate et al., I just really enjoy the opportunity to play a game that hundreds of others are, and the pregame discussions.

Thanks to all who contribute and again... congrats to the top five!

PS. A special thanks to Moonsinger for great pregame analysis and patience for neophytes in explaining some of the mysteries of the workings of the game.

 

[Smirk]

Originally posted by DaviddesJ

This may well be true for Itcoljt's 1520AD spaceship (which doesn't seem particularly early, to me), but it's not true for Shillen's 1315AD spaceship (which had an even lower Jason score). If I'd shifted to building a spaceship as fast as possible after conquering everyone else, I couldn't have finished by 1315AD. Perhaps SirPleb could, since his domination was so early, but the rest of us couldn't.

Did you look at these games at all? Shillen made sacrifices to get that early SR, notably expansion, he did little to none of it. He conquered the Celts, compared to ltcoljt who played a domination limit SR game. However ltcoljt didn't reach the domination limit until after 1300 and if he can remember or has a save of around then, chances are he can figure the score and see if he did better or worse in the last 200 years until he got the SR victory. As a guess I would say the last few hundred years or so he lost a lot of relative score since it appears he put a lot of production into many tightly packed cities. This may have been needed for the faster tech pace but its obvious that Shillen played a different game.

What I think you can expect is that if your play until domination limit is only better than average, and your eventual victory condition is only better than average then you will end up only better than average. You have to play the later part much better if you want to make up for earlier flaws.

 

[ltcoljt]

Originally posted by Smirk


Did you look at these games at all? Shillen made sacrifices to get that early SR, notably expansion, he did little to none of it. He conquered the Celts, compared to ltcoljt who played a domination limit SR game. However ltcoljt didn't reach the domination limit until after 1300 and if he can remember or has a save of around then, chances are he can figure the score and see if he did better or worse in the last 200 years until he got the SR victory. As a guess I would say the last few hundred years or so he lost a lot of relative score since it appears he put a lot of production into many tightly packed cities. This may have been needed for the faster tech pace but its obvious that Shillen played a different game.

What I think you can expect is that if your play until domination limit is only better than average, and your eventual victory condition is only better than average then you will end up only better than average. You have to play the later part much better if you want to make up for earlier flaws.

Actually, I already checked this. I reached the domination limit at 1300 AD. By playing the next turn to expand I would have finished around 30th, instead of 23rd place. My score would have been about 300 pts lower.

The purpose of the tight packed cities was to add score, not tech rate. And it would have been very easy for me to have gotten to the domination limit eons earlier and yes, that would have produced a higher score. Essentially, I spent a lot of time pursuing a space race "milk as you go" type game for nought. I do think that space race games should score more. Cultural games too.

I agree that Shillen played a different sort of game than I did. I was trying to tie in the elements of domination and milking with a decent tech pace to see how it would turn out. I think it's clear. Domination or conquest games are favored by the scoring system.

But that's just my opinion and I might be wrong. Aeson clearly thinks so.

Since he made the scoring system .......

 

[Txurce]

For me, the comparison between ltcoljt's and Shillen's games boils down to finding it harder to achieve a 1315 launch than a 1520 one, no matter what size either civ attained in the process. I wish the scores could somehow reflect that.

 

[Ronald]

Originally posted by Txurce
For me, the comparison between ltcoljt's and Shillen's games boils down to finding it harder to achieve a 1315 launch than a 1520 one, no matter what size either civ attained in the process. I wish the scores could somehow reflect that.

I completely agree with your statement Txurce, I would also wish that the finishing date (in relation to the best date) has more influence than it has now.

Ronald

 

[Qitai]

Well, I think the real question is who did better and does each of them deserve an award? For me, the fastest space victory (regardless of score) would be harder to achieve than the objective of the highest scoring space victory. What if there is another player who have gone for a space victory, say in 1700AD and has the highest Jason score among the space victories. Does this person than deserve the price, leaving nothing to Itcoljt again? And would that be hard to achieve for any of the top scorers. I say it probably isn't hard for them to just milk the game and launch a space victory when the time comes. So, should there be a reward for highest scoring space victory? My answer would be no. Getting the fastest space victory is a challenge, but not the highest scoring space victory. Any of the early domination game could potentially achieve that.

 

[SirPleb]

Anyone with lingering doubts about whether a space victory can ever compete with conquest in the GOTM might want to check out Aeson's post here

Aeson played from my GOTM19 30BC save and got a mind boggling 12229 Jason score for a GOTM19 Space victory in 1265AD. And he notes that he played one aspect casually, could have boosted score more, probably between 12400 and 12500.

I think that Aeson and I should be playing GOTM as an SG

 

[Renata]

Nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!! You've already got the rest of us outclassed, we don't need you working together.

Renata

 

[rabies]

Actually...as long as they only get to submit one game between the two of them...that would make for one less game that will certainly score way above mine..