Government Structure (Strider's/Daveshack's proposal)

[Black_Hole]

I understand that.

he has a very creative way of speaking

 

[Provolution]

indeed .......

 

[YNCS]

There's a parable about two Buddhist monks that comes to mind.

Two monks came to a river. A beautiful courtesan, waiting at the river bank, asked them if they would carry her across. Without a word, the older monk squatted down in front of her, she climbed on his back, he carried her across the river, then set her down on the other side and still without a word, continued his journey. The younger monk was shocked that the other monk would have anything to do with any woman, let alone a whore. This monk thought about it for two hours then he couldn't contain his anger any more. "Why did you carry that sinful woman across the river?" The older monk replied: "I put that woman down two hours ago, why are you still carrying her?"

Do I have to explain this parable to anyone?

 

[Provolution]

Please explain that nice parable of yours

 

[YNCS]

Several people here are carrying around grudges from the past. For instance, Provo, it seems that every time Black Heart posts anything, you accuse him of sabotaging your polls. Personally, I don't see the sabotage. Is your ego that great that you have to clutch to your bosom something that apparently had its origin in a previous game?

 

[Strider]

Please explain that nice parable of yours

THe "older" monk asking the younger one "Why are you still carrying her" at first sounds like the younger monk is taking the whore with them. However, it is meant to mean "Why are you still angry about it."

To summarize it, it's asking why your still angry about something that happened a long time ago.

 

[Provolution]

Yeah, no wonder there are wars around. I have just posted the moderators to clean up my Newspaper before I made my first article (The Purgatory).

EDIT, the unopened thread was closed due to 4-5 threadjacks. Now, a new thread with sufficient coverage has been re-opened.

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

The problem,even if you bury the hatchet, the same posse of wannabee Nemesis players will hound you and bark at you habitually. Why so? The personal projection of past memories serves as a natural target, and if a personal cognitive platform is not capable of constructive thinking, all what is left is the primal hunting instincts.

Does it help to evade the past? No I do not think so.

Since you qouted me in this response, please allow me to retort.

Your language is sufficiently flowerly to indicate many things, but one thing I did not claim, and as such, your post is a strawman argument of the highest order, is that we should forget the past.

Hardly.

I am suggesting we remember the past, and decide what the game is about. Is it about playing CIV? Or is it about debating rules?

I can see both sides, and I have been on both sides. I'd recommend focusing on playing a game of Civ.

 

[Provolution]

Actually, YNCS was the one citing you. Yet, I thank you for your response, and I agree, it is the Civgame that matters PLUS the color and entertainment of the game.
If we had enough good legalists or legally interested people, this might work as a mock government and rule game. However, with heavy politization of the application of rules and hardly any equality to the law, as well as very unbalanced rhetorical and legal interpretation skills in legal trials, we better stick to playing the game.

Yet, some rules are needed, and I am glad we get some long term thinking in our organization. I think DSes model could be used as a base for amendments if needed.

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

Ahh, you are indeed right Provolution. My bad.

 

[DaveShack]

Bill, thank you very much for your insight.

I too have been on both sides of the debate between using the democracy as a vehicle for playing civ, vs. using civ as the vehicle for playing at democracy. I have seen people use weak rules as a means of making a point about the culture of the game by challenging old assumptions, and others use strong rules to try to get back at their old nemesis from several games ago.

Players come and go, but in the end the game remains the same.

 

[Provolution]

YNCS

Actually, Blackhole (Not Blackheart) has done that to every single gameworld poll I posted to collect information early February, every single one. Then he sought to capsize the compromise poll by making as many as possible people voting Abstain, as well as badmouthing the poll as number one. I have a different story with Blackheart, but he follows a totally different pattern. So YNCS, this is only a couple of several dozens of unnecessary conflicts. I could of course forget it, but will they?

 

[Black_Hole]

Provo this is just your habit of putting down anyone that disagrees with you or one of your polls. Not everyone can agree always

 

[Provolution]

Fair enough, as long as you do not post in the newspaper till its done.

 

[YNCS]

Actually, Blackhole (Not Blackheart) has done that to every single gameworld poll I posted to collect information early February, every single one.

My apologies to Black Heart and Black Hole for confusing one for the other.

So YNCS, this is only a couple of several dozens of unnecessary conflicts. I could of course forget it, but will they?

You could forget, but you make it abundantly obvious that you not only won't forget, but you'd prefer not to forget.

Never mind, this is a waste of effort on my part. Please forget that I even brought up the silly idea that playing the game was more important than continuing old feuds.

 

[Provolution]

YNCS

Well, I stay out of harms way as much as I can, but I certainly will pin down repetition of certain transgressions, so please consider me a watchdog for gross misconduct. As you see, I do not threadjack other peoples threads, and I do not roast people. In fact, I am quite docile and easy-going, for the time being.

Again, decent people that disagree with me send PMs, like MOTH and Cyc, when we disagree, thus, I have not had conflicts with several strong profiles for ages.
Others, do not answer PMs or evade straight answers, so the forums remains.

 

[Sarevok]

A nice and traditional setup... I like it.