If the AI has gpt to offer you, and you haven't done anything to sully your reputation, you can give trade a lump sum of gold for their gpt at the rate of 18 gold/1 gpt. That is, if you give them 18 gold, they can give you 1 gold per turn. If you give them 36 gold, and they have 2 gpt, they can give you 2 gpt for that. It also works the other way around in that you can buy 18 gold from them for 1 gpt. I have a game going right now, where I feel confident I haven't sullied my reputation, and I can't get these trading rates, and I believe that the ratio of gold/gpt for 1 gpt isn't the same as for 26 gpt. The AIs have signed some trade embargos against me. Can trade embargos mess up the trading rate?
GPT for lump sums
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Is it possible that the AI simply doesn't have any gpt to spare at the moment? Maybe they have it promissed somewhere else?
Sometimes you can offer a tech and the AI will offer oly a few gpt for it. Two turns later, they suddenly have a lot to offer. Timing is everything?
Sometimes you can offer a tech and the AI will offer oly a few gpt for it. Two turns later, they suddenly have a lot to offer. Timing is everything?
Hasdrubal Barca
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That hapens because the trade treaty of 1gpt only lasts for a fixed period, i can´t remember but i think it´s 20 turns, so in fact, you are giving 18 gold for 20 gold, making you gain 2 gold after 18th turns, but as management as my personal background education, i´ll tell you right away that those 18gold today in your pocket are worth more than +2 gold after 18 turns.
Better save it for upgrades in the future or short rushes for bigger builds.
Better save it for upgrades in the future or short rushes for bigger builds.
An AI has never allowed me a trade either way of lump sum gold for gold per turn. The AI is willing to enter into payment plans, but unwilling to enter into loan arrangements.
Try selling a tech to the AI for example. You put the tech on the table, get a lump sum offer from the AI, and the deal is acceptable. Now you throw in something extra- I'll give you 1 gold per turn on top of that already acceptable deal- and suddenly the AI would never accept that deal.
Edit: Well, I just tried on a save game to see if the AI would even give me a lesser lump sum for greater lump sum. The AI will trade lump sums (if favorable to it), and will trade lump sum for gold per turn. I wonder if that is a change between Conquests and PTW (I've been playing Conquests just recently).
Try selling a tech to the AI for example. You put the tech on the table, get a lump sum offer from the AI, and the deal is acceptable. Now you throw in something extra- I'll give you 1 gold per turn on top of that already acceptable deal- and suddenly the AI would never accept that deal.
Edit: Well, I just tried on a save game to see if the AI would even give me a lesser lump sum for greater lump sum. The AI will trade lump sums (if favorable to it), and will trade lump sum for gold per turn. I wonder if that is a change between Conquests and PTW (I've been playing Conquests just recently).
It depends on if you are trying to soak up all the gp in the world for some reason. If your trade rep isn't damaged, you can do it. I've never been able to make it very effective (as in being the world's banker).
I think if you give the AI gpt that it will invest in research, so it could cause them to research faster, if that is your goal. I read that on the forum somewhere (I'd give credit if I could remember where). Gold in the treasury is used as the AI for upgrades. Apparently the AI will not set a research rate that has it losing gpt even if it has money in the bank.
So if you offer a lump sum for a gpt deal, you can slow down research but give them money to buy upgrades/improvements. If you give them gpt for a lum some, you hamper improvements/upgrades but encourage research.
I think if you give the AI gpt that it will invest in research, so it could cause them to research faster, if that is your goal. I read that on the forum somewhere (I'd give credit if I could remember where). Gold in the treasury is used as the AI for upgrades. Apparently the AI will not set a research rate that has it losing gpt even if it has money in the bank.
So if you offer a lump sum for a gpt deal, you can slow down research but give them money to buy upgrades/improvements. If you give them gpt for a lum some, you hamper improvements/upgrades but encourage research.
"Try selling a tech to the AI for example. You put the tech on the table, get a lump sum offer from the AI, and the deal is acceptable. Now you throw in something extra- I'll give you 1 gold per turn on top of that already acceptable deal- and suddenly the AI would never accept that deal."
When you add an offer of 1gpt to that deal and they said no, it means your rep is no good. The reason it work in the next test, was your rep was fine.
When you add an offer of 1gpt to that deal and they said no, it means your rep is no good. The reason it work in the next test, was your rep was fine.
There are times in the game as well as life, where there is a good reason to make a deal that is not the best in the long run. One thing players do on high levels like Deity and Sid is to borrow as much as they can afford.
Use that for immediate needs. That does a couple of things. One is to take that money out of the AI's hands so it is not spend on research/troops/whatever. Second is it means they are less likely to DOW you as you owe them money. If they go ahead and declare, you save the gold and they are short that much gold.
Spoonnwod, I do not know the answer as I have not done much borrow, outside of SG's.
I think it's the aggression rate. On least aggressive, it's 18 gold for 1 gpt. For normal aggression, I think the default is 14 gold for 1 gpt. For maximum aggression, I think it's 15 gold for 1 gpt. I'll have to check more on this, if I want to figure it out. The cost of buying workers from the AIs does vary with the aggression rate, so this fits with other knowledge of game mechanics.
Well, according to the HOF rules, if you put in 999 GPT as if you were demanding, you can see the AI's max trade. I never tried it, because I always forget it.
Also, that doesn't make any sense, wouldn't the most aggressive AI's have the lowest number?
Also, that doesn't make any sense, wouldn't the most aggressive AI's have the lowest number?
You can argue that. But, I'm not sure the game coding works that way, or that they anticipated something like this.
Skullsplitter
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Maybe its just coincidental, but I have a tough time getting a GPT deal in the first couple ages if my military advisor tells me we have a strong military compared to them. If I have an average military I usually can, but unless I'm in a long bloody war with 2 or more civs, I'm rarely average compared with anyone.
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