Hebrew civilization

[mitsho]

I wouldn't call '73 successful and a few more things are debateable (Israeli-arabs are second-class citizens), but all in all you're quite right. They have the right to be there, but if there isn't found a solution to the problem, survival of the modern Israeli state will get though (there are more peaceful place to live today, the rest of the Western world gets more appealing to Israelis at the moment, hell look at this years Israeli entry of the Concours d'Eurovision de la Chanson).

But solvero, I advise you to look also at the Palestinian side. When in 1947, Jewish diaspora ended, Palestinian diaspora began with al-Nakba.

 

[thordk]

israel has never fought an offensive war? the six day war has been pretty offensive. granted it has been the result of an arabic trade route blockade, but israel shot the first bullet.

 

[Tekee]

No No hebrews civ should be in CIv lol
Unless they add Slavic Civ after! And then go after the other tribes like maygar and stuff like that =)))

 

[solvero]

mitsho, I agree with you.
thordk, the six day war was a war that was meant to prevent Israel from being attacked. The best defence is the offense, and in that case Israel would have been attacked if Israel hadn't attack first.

 

[cuchulain]

No No hebrews civ should be in CIv lol
Unless they add Slavic Civ after! And then go after the other tribes like maygar and stuff like that =)))

I think they should put in some slavic civs or alternativley, do what they did with the Celts, and just make one slavic civ.

 

[thordk]

mitsho, I agree with you.
thordk, the six day war was a war that was meant to prevent Israel from being attacked. The best defence is the offense, and in that case Israel would have been attacked if Israel hadn't attack first.

there's no such thing as "prevention war". attacking another country is war. who attacked first initiated the war. arabia could have also stopped with their blockade, never invade. or invade a couple of days later. israel could have waited for that, to not force a war. but they forced it by attacking. this is initiating a war.

 

[gostanford22]

Absolutely the Hebrews should be in. I also find the inclusion of the Cristo Redeemer 'wonder' to be quite offensive.

Why??? Im a Christian and im not offened, of course u might not be Christian, but still its JUST a GAME.

 

[Horizons]

Why??? Im a Christian and im not offened, of course u might not be Christian, but still its JUST a GAME.

If one looks closely one can see traces of Christian bias in many of the civilopedia entries too. I guess that's just the way the world is - Christianity is very important. Somehow I don't feel as if I am being violated by any of the other major religious wonders. But building a huge statue of Yeshu and then claiming that it glorifies your whole nation makes me feel ill.

 

[rabidveggie]

What do you expect, Christianity is the largest religion at the moment and prevalent in North America and Europe, the target market. Besides it was a major reason for a number of wars in Europe.

 

[Maverick667]

I think the Hebrew's should be in at least because of the modern state of Israel...

but not because of religion, I think religion is being overrated as an argument to add a civilization... although everyone is entitled to his own opinion about that

On a side note, shouldn't there also be an atheist religion... Although of course atheism isn't a religion, but I would strongly support that

 

[gostanford22]

If one looks closely one can see traces of Christian bias in many of the civilopedia entries too. I guess that's just the way the world is - Christianity is very important. Somehow I don't feel as if I am being violated by any of the other major religious wonders. But building a huge statue of Yeshu and then claiming that it glorifies your whole nation makes me feel ill.

Dude ITS A GAME

 

[Holycannoli]

Do you referce to the modern state of Israel?
There would many people, including me, be offended when they are added.
And then i can't buy Civilization anymore.

You'd be offended if Israel was included in Civ? Then I'd be even more offended at Arabia being included because they're tons worse in the oppression/terrorism dept.

But guess what? I'm actually not offended in the least bit. I don't worry about my personal world views when I'm playing a game. They can put Al Qaeda in as a civ and I'd still buy it. The game is still fun.

That said, I don't think the Hebrews should be a civ ingame. But who knows? With enough expansions they just might be included.

 

[Sharule]

Im offended by China being in the game because of their occupation of Tibet.
Why is it that Israel is consistently held to a higher standard? Ive known many Israelis, I have family in Haifa, there are almost none that want the occupation, they just don't want rockets raining down on them either. I mean what does Israel have to gain from the occupation? Nothing, its a waste of money.
In other news, the current idea of talks between Israel and the Arab league seem hopeful.

 

[Saim]

You don't want China because they occupied Tibet? Seriously?

China was a very important ancient kingdom, it has a rich history, had large empires and invented basically everything. That pretty much warrants an inclusion.

Would a Tibet civ lead by Songsten Gampo make it better? Because I hope there is one (eventually, not in the next expansion).

 

[TobyWanKenobi]

Saim,
I believe Sharule was being fecitious. Saying how people saying they're offended by modern Israel being mentioned is the same as saying modern China.

And I'm with you on a Tibet Civ.

Although I doubt It'll be there, whereas a Hebrew one would make sense...we'll see what happens soon though!

 

[biggamer132]

Why not? The more civs there are to choose from, the better and more varied the game.

 

[Astax]

Modern Israel could have never won any war without United States. End of discussion. Kingdom of Israel is another story. However Kingdom of Israel only lasted 120 years before it split. So it is still marginal at best. I dont wan't people to post put such and such civ in only because they live in said area of the world and own a computer. You can only put in so many civs in, and only so many deserve to be in.

 

[Sharule]

The Yom Kippur war is the only one of Israels big 3 wars that the US provided assistance in any major way, the Six day war Israel was helped by the UK and France, in the War for Independence she was not helped by much of anyone.

 

[flyingchicken]

If one looks closely one can see traces of Christian bias in many of the civilopedia entries too. I guess that's just the way the world is - Christianity is very important. Somehow I don't feel as if I am being violated by any of the other major religious wonders. But building a huge statue of Yeshu and then claiming that it glorifies your whole nation makes me feel ill.

How about the Spiral Minaret? Stonehenge? The Pyramids? The Parthenon? They all have religious tones to them, just like Christ the Redeemer, but you don't see many people getting offended by those.

 

[Rancid Sushi]

Sure. I'm very pro-Israel, and if Saladin-breadsticks can have his own empire, why can't Solomon or David? The Israelites have conquered a lot of people in their time. You name a tribe with the suffix '-ite' in their name, and chances are the 'brewsters have destroyed them.