Well my understanding of the english language is that chinese is the term used for asian people(japanese korean etc.) That chinese and asian can be used interchange.
Ghafhi, those are not terms to use interchangably. Granted, there are mostly Chinese in Asia, but that's no excuse to call them all Chinese, now is it. The only term that even realitivly comes close (moderators please forgive me for this one, but I feel that it is necessary to point this out) is "*****," a stupid racial slur for Chinese people. But, hardly anyone uses it anymore. Know why? It's stupid!
The problem here is not whether or not Hannibal was black. The problem here is you. I honestly don't care what color your skin is, but the bulk of the posts you've made have been hurtful and disrespectful to every other culture that doesn't fit in your subsaharan african supergroup, that is when you're not trying to usurp their history.
(donoron, I'm not focusing this at you. Just at Ghafhi. By the way, excellent point!)
OK, in [all] of my posts I said that Hannibal is white-
ish. Concentrate on the "ish" part. White-
ish means that the person in question is not black, but not quite white either. Instead, he/she is a mix of the two, but is closer to white than black. So, Ghafhi, please read the
entire post and
every word in it carefully,
before you consider calling us racists. donoron, Belcarius, EVERYONE, here has kindly made a point on this matter, and each and every one of them has been careful not to become racist in regards to this manner! Please, understand that!
And last, but most important.
My professors in Oxford University did not present this to me. I have an undergraduate degree in mediterrain history a masters in African studies and I specliaze in Algerian History and no where have I heard such ludacris things. You say Numidians aren't black yet the guy before you says they are, make up your mind
Ghafhi, with all do respect, I honestly doubt that you went to Oxford. With the majority of the stuff that you have posted, you have firmly convinced me that you don't have your so-called "degrees." Now, I have 2
real degrees in history, one in military history and the other in ancient civilizations in the Mediterrainian region, and I'm working on my Ph.D in military hisrory, which the first unit of the semester was on Roman military conflicts, which includes Carthage and all of its historcal backgrounds. Allow me to use my
real degrees:
Phoenicians were white-
ish. Though newer than most of the Middle-eastern civilizations of the time, such as Greece (though not middle-eastern, it did have some minor influence), Babylon, Sumeria, Assryia (if you consider that as one), Egypt, Lydia, etc., the Phoenicans were more Greek-like than anything else. Phoenicia was probably the first true naval power. With its large merchant fleet sailing the Mediterranian sea, there ships could be found in almost any port. And all ancient accounts specify that Phoenicans were not black. Another point of fact -- none of the Middle Eastern counties were fully black either. Historcal evidence shows that they were white-
ish.
Around the founding of Rome in 753 B.C., a small collection of Phoenicans broke away from the empire near a place called (drum-roll please) Carthage, and began to build there own empire. Though it eventually extened along most of the North African coast and southern Spain, it only incorperated a few "real" black people: the Numidians. They probably only made up less than 10% of the "empire" I believe.
Now, Hannibal was born circa 250 B.C. as the son of Hasdrubal, and the brother of Hanno. The father and brother are confirmed to be white-
ish. Logic would dictate that Hannibal too is not black (and for that manner, Hasdrubal's wife I believe wasn't black either), and so does actual history. Though I pointed out that ancient leaders often modeld themselves after the gods, and thus all portraits and sculpters were often not based on the person's actual apperance, I did some reasearch. Hannibal (this is from 3 different souces -- sorry I can't get links, darned Norton Anti-Virus, atleast I think that's causing the problem) didn't want to be rendered as a godly figure. When he invaded Rome, he wanted it to be known that a mere man was going to tople the Roman Empire, not a god. So, the famous sculpture of him that has been the basis of all modern renderings of Hannibal, clearly shows that he was white-
ish. Granted, the scluptre is white marble, but the facial features do not show that he was black (black people, espically Africans, have distinct cheek bones that are slighly higher than the "white-
ish" peolpe of the time (and now adays too, though not as much).
So, Ghafhi, I belive that you are an educated man, someone who didn't fail world history and got his diploma. But, my friend, please re-read your history. And don't make un-necessary accusations about all of us being racist just because we have an opinon on this!
