How are you finding life in the post-patch world?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - Macintosh' started by markovnikov, Oct 11, 2011.

  1. markovnikov

    markovnikov Chieftain

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    I'm 1 and 2 half games into the barve new world of CiV, and am starting to get the feel of the differences although I'm not sure I like them all. Here are some of the most notable.

    - The AI brings it now, so prepare to be at war. I had heard that you should drop down a level when moving to the latest patch, and I can see why. Verdic: :goodjob:

    - New policy tree. There are interesting changes here, and I like the 'finisher bonus' concept, but.....I find that I'm always choosing the same policies in more or less the same order. You pretty much must have the Rationalism opener, which means Piety is only an option for culture games. Consequently, there are a lack of incentives to vary from Liberty/Ratioanism heavy games so the policy aspect of the game now feels a bit samey. Verdict: meh

    - New RA system. I like that blocking has gone. Instead, there is incentive to research the cheap techs rather than beeline constantly, which feels more natural. However, it seems you must have the PT and/or Rationalism opener to make use of RAs. This means every game is more or less a rush to Education, which again makes the game feel a bit samey. Also, the optimum way to play a science game is still to stock up on GSs and mass bulb through the modern area, meaning you esentially don't play the late game. This is a bit silly and not all that satisfying. Verdict: research is improved, but its still a bit hokey and needs more tweaking.

    So Mac'ers, what are your feelings on the new patch that we have waited so long for?
     
  2. Lachlan

    Lachlan Great Builder of Civs !

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    Why dropping one level behind ?

    I played level 4 of difficulty, i still play the same level with new patch...

    I like me too the new system of policies...

    Liking also the new resource and its afferent building...

    I go always to Piety and Trade...

    But game is far more better than before :good job:

    More difficult game = more pleasure ;)
     
  3. markovnikov

    markovnikov Chieftain

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    I havn't played that low so I maybe the change isn't so noticable. At 6 - 8, the AI production bonus combined with tweaks to agressiveness mean you'll probably be on the defensive pretty early.
     
  4. crag

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    It's much much better.
     
  5. Lachlan

    Lachlan Great Builder of Civs !

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    Maybe, but at level 4 "normal difficulty" it's more fair play...

    No advantages for human or AI...

    While i'm playing Civ 5 since its release, i rarely finished a game as winner...

    Because Civ 5 game is a complex alchemy...

    I play for the fun, not necessarily for win, just the pleasure to create an history...
     
  6. CGPanama

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    I have also noticed the difference...

    As background, after getting my feet under me I had improved through crushing the AI on Prince (4); to dominating the AI on King (5) winning better than 75% of the time; to being challenged at the Emperor (6) level.

    Played the first game at Prince, hoping to get a feel for the new social policies and found it much more balanced. Where I had been crushing the AI at Prince before moving on, I eked out a science victory in my first game at Prince after the patch.

    Since then have played two games at King. First game lost, six turns away from completing a cultural victory. And now in my second game at King, in a major world war with Songhai while edging towards either a cultural or domination victory. But it is a toss up.

    In all games, the diplomacy from the AI has made more sense than previously. Allies would not suddenly denounce you for beating back or even conquering an aggressor. And long time friends seem slower to turn against you than simple trade partners.

    All told, I am very satisfied with the patch changes. I like the fact that the pathways to science and cultural victories are more varied and balanced, where before I felt I would get into a rut following the same growth pattern each game. And the AI at higher levels feels less like a cheat and just more difficult.
     
  7. gfeier

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    SUCKS!!! I've been down since the update. Steam goes right to "not responding" when I try to open Civ V. Steam itself opens fine. No answers to my support requests to Steam and 2K yet. Getting irritating. I guess I will have to delete everything and download again, but I'm trying to find out what will happen to my achievements and Hall of Fame list first.
     
  8. gcareaga

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    The patch is hell, HELL I say! I am up every night until 3 a.m.

    So, yeah, I am liking it.
     
  9. markovnikov

    markovnikov Chieftain

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    The human player always has a HUGE advantage, because he/she can actually reason, and learn. :king:

    The term AI is using the word 'intelligence' pretty loosely. The difficulty (imposibility?) of coding anything close to human intelligence for a game of this complexity is too great. Unfotunately the only way we have to increase the challenge is to stack the deck against us via the various bonuses. That or play multiplayer, although from what I've heard, CiV just becomes a pseudo-war game in MP. :mischief:
     
  10. Lachlan

    Lachlan Great Builder of Civs !

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    In multiplayer game the problem is always to find the fair human players...

    Example : often in multiplayer there are quitters who leave because they are starting to lose... Unfair, isn't it ?
     
  11. GrumpyFlumps

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    I guess I played for about 6 straight hours yesterday, my head hurts today :scan: So I guess Firaxix have done something right:)
     
  12. coffee junkie

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    It's almost always the case, whatever civ game you play.

    Each time I tried a multiplayer game online, it has been a disappointment indeed !

    There are the ones ( huge majority ) who only play at war/war/war and ... war ! :lol: no culture, no diplomacy, nothing else than the military side.

    There are the ones who lie ( example : they pretend to play a beginner/medium level just to be sure to win )

    And as Lachlan says : there are the ones who leave the game before the end. For whatever reason.

    So, we created a group of friends and play LAN multiplayer games, for the love of civ :) We try to always play fair, to create a story and build real civilizations to win by every way possible and not military way only :p


    Besides this, Life is cool with the patch + dlc's ! :) :)
     
  13. gfeier

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    I'm finding that it sucks! Civ has been down since the last patch and I can't seem to get a fix that works from anyone. I'm getting steamed! :mad:
     
  14. bubble war

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    the patch is ace! now for an update to solve these graphics glitches. Please!
     

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