it for players, specifically the experts writing all of these amazing guides, to reroll maps for ideal starts? I personally have always played civ(started playing civ on play station back in 1999) with random civs and random maps. And I don't quit unless I have no way to win the game. I've always looked at restarting for better results to be cheating.
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docbud
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How do you know you can't win after the first roll? And then you say you DO restart if you can't win, but you also consider it cheating.
I have no problem rerollling at the start of a game, especially if my terrain is the fungus thing. I find it too hard on the eyes and difficult to see the resources.
Or, by restart, do you mean quitting and reloading a game to get better results?
If the latter--I do it only if I misclick.
I have no problem rerollling at the start of a game, especially if my terrain is the fungus thing. I find it too hard on the eyes and difficult to see the resources.
Or, by restart, do you mean quitting and reloading a game to get better results?
If the latter--I do it only if I misclick.
I don't know if I can win after the first roll, that's why I don't quit a game before 50 turns. Quitting after 50 turns isn't cheating, its losing. I quit and start a brand new totally random game. My comment is in reference to people who reroll maps, at all, to get a better starting position.
I've seen people post advice for winning on immortal and deity that included rerolling maps until you get a great start. That's not good advice, thats saying game the game to get an advantage. Its also inferring that players can't beat higher level AI without using cheesy tactics.
I see where you're getting hung up. My original post should say that I quit when I have no way to win the game, not that I restart
I've seen people post advice for winning on immortal and deity that included rerolling maps until you get a great start. That's not good advice, thats saying game the game to get an advantage. Its also inferring that players can't beat higher level AI without using cheesy tactics.
I see where you're getting hung up. My original post should say that I quit when I have no way to win the game, not that I restart
I think BE is a lot better in this regard than Civ 5 was. Many of the "top" players on this forum would reroll starts to get the best Petra city. There is no OP wonder in BE which has such an unbalanced effect as Petra did in Civ 5.
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Overall terrain is far less important in CIV:BE compared to CIV5. There are a few occassions where you might want to restart, but more often than not it's more related to other AI starting locations than actual terrain.
If you are sitting on a peninsula and get boxed in by two AIs on turn 10 so that you won't be able to found more than 3 cities, you can either go full conquest mode or just restart.
There are also problematic starts when the game puts you close (or within) wild lands. I had games where I had to delay expansion so much that victory was more or less impossible.
But overall I restarted only half a dozen times in... idk... 50-60 games?
If you are sitting on a peninsula and get boxed in by two AIs on turn 10 so that you won't be able to found more than 3 cities, you can either go full conquest mode or just restart.
There are also problematic starts when the game puts you close (or within) wild lands. I had games where I had to delay expansion so much that victory was more or less impossible.
But overall I restarted only half a dozen times in... idk... 50-60 games?
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When I start a new game, I always load up 3 starts and pick my favorite of the 3. Your startling location plays such a big role in how your game will turn out and some starts are just miserable. Having 3 to choose from tends to be enough to all but ensure my starting position will be viable yet keep me honest and not simply rerolling until I get an epic starting position.
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Some re-roll often, I personally never re-roll.
Not because I am "too pro", but because how else will you learn how to deal with unfavorable conditions or to adapt if you just re-roll if the map is bad?
Their are two camps though. those who play against the AI only and those who play online. If you are playing offline you have little reason to stick with a bad map except your own tenacity.
When online, getting a game going is hard enough, then you have to consider that someone will have a great spot they don't want to lose.
Not because I am "too pro", but because how else will you learn how to deal with unfavorable conditions or to adapt if you just re-roll if the map is bad?
Their are two camps though. those who play against the AI only and those who play online. If you are playing offline you have little reason to stick with a bad map except your own tenacity.
When online, getting a game going is hard enough, then you have to consider that someone will have a great spot they don't want to lose.
Hail
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when playing for max score, you must reroll maps and save-scum for the win!
other than that, it's personal prefernce. I prefer to play the hand I was delt.
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I think if the people who post guides for how to win in max turns are using exploits or cheats or rerolls or reloads or mods it would be nice if they also made this clear so that those of us looking for tips as how to play better or different are aware of all the manouvering involved.
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Re-rolling is very common for me. The start always seems to be the most 'fun' part of the game with often a lot of dull in the middle, and certainly almost always sheer boredom in the end waiting for the victory condition to be met unless that is domination.
Therefore why should I start a game if I am not interested in the starting terrain? For me, just like in earlier versions of the game I am always looking for 'river runs through it' and some nice features/resources nearby. The higher the difficulty level the more important a good start is, but even with a fantastic start you never know what the AIs are going to do to you so you might as well start with something at least reasonably good.
Therefore why should I start a game if I am not interested in the starting terrain? For me, just like in earlier versions of the game I am always looking for 'river runs through it' and some nice features/resources nearby. The higher the difficulty level the more important a good start is, but even with a fantastic start you never know what the AIs are going to do to you so you might as well start with something at least reasonably good.
This.
If I just want any game, I'll take whatever I'm given at the start and see where it leads me.
However, my current game I restarted the landing site three times because I really, really wanted to play a Supremacy game (I haven't ever actually done the full lvl18 Supremacy yet), and so I wanted to make sure there was Firaxite nearby.
Most of my games are simply just played with what I am given until I win or get bored.
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