How Did This Happen? Early Mono

[CommandoBob]

This is the screenshot, from Myth01:

Learning Monotheism

The squawk box in the corner shows 2 turns, but we learned Mono on this IBT.

There were no library builds completed on this IBT. All that did complete was a settler and two workers, after this point.

I've attached the save for the curious. (C3C, 1.22)

 

[Spoonwood]

No Great Library?

 

[Mathias]

Probably tech cost reduction due to another rival learning it.

 

[CommandoBob]

No Great Library?

Nope. We've only captured The Oracle from the dead Zulu.

Probably tech cost reduction due to another rival learning it.

Per MapStat, at the end of 720 AD, Iroquois, Greece and America knew Mono, Egypt did not.
In 730 we met Spain (discovered a Spanish city).
At the end of 730, Egypt still did not know Mono.

So it was not that, either.

 

[vmxa]

You have 390 beakers accumulated at the start. The tech cost is down to 567 with 5 civs left and 3 knowing the tech. During the IBT you have a 4th nation learn Mono and it drops to 469.

You are making 135bpt, so you will have an overrun now.

 

[Mathias]

In 730 we met Spain (discovered a Spanish city).

You actually met Spain in 720 AD when their galley approached yours near Atlanta. Thus the tech cost reduction.

 

[PrinceMyshkin]

I just took a look at the save.

You met the Spanish on the IBT when its galley sailed into view near America. They knew monotheism and the price dropped. CivAssistII says 648 beakers in 720AD and only 501 beakers in 730AD after meeting the Spanish.

Looks like you can make some good trades, now, if you want.

Tech comes before any builds on the IBT, so you can't get a tech faster form an upcoming build.

Oops: massive crosspost.

 

[CommandoBob]

You have 390 beakers accumulated at the start. The tech cost is down to 567 with 5 civs left and 3 knowing the tech. During the IBT you have a 4th nation learn Mono and it drops to 469.

You are making 135bpt, so you will have an overrun now.

You actually met Spain in 720 AD when their galley approached yours near Atlanta. Thus the tech cost reduction.

I thought is was just an American galley heading home, not Spanish one.

Which means that Spain learned Mono on the IBT and then somehow acquired Education also, right?

Edit:
Oops, crosspost with PrinceMyshkin, who answered the question I was asking.

 

[vmxa]

I should have more accurately said you gained a 4th nation that had knowledge of Mono. This could occur either by the one nation you already knew, learning Mono or meeting the last nation and it either knew Mono or acquired it during the IBT.

However it happened, you now know at least a 4th nation with Mono and that is enough to put you over the top.

 

[splunge the 2nd]

Do you have to contact a unit to "meet" a civ, or is simply seeing a unit or city sufficient? Will seeing cultural borders count?

 

[vmxa]

No seeing the border will not count. If either of you enter the other borders or make contact, that does it.

 

[anaxagoras]

No seeing the border will not count. If either of you enter the other borders or make contact, that does it.

Are you certain of the first part? Once in awhile, I have parked a unit next to the border of a civilization (usually a curragh that can see the border, but can't go in). I'll park there sometimes in the hope that a unit will pass by and I'll get contact. But it seems that sometimes I get contact anyway.

I haven't tried to systematically document this, so it may be that there are other things that happen. Perhaps a unit goes by and I don't notice it on the IBT or something? But it has sometimes seemed to me that I can get contact just by standing outside a Civs border.

Has this happened to anyone else, or am I fantasizing (again)?

 

[Aabraxan]

It's not just you, anax. Most of the time, it seems like seeing the borders is inadequate, but sometimes, I seem to get contact. Perhaps a unit passes through a corner of our territories & we don't notice?

 

[timerover51]

What I have found if I am hanging around on the edge of the border, if an AI unit comes into my line of sight, I have contact. I do that a lot with curraghs and galleys.

 

[darski]

I have had the impression that standing by the border will get me contact. it doesn't always happen but it does 'seem' to happen.

 

[PrinceMyshkin]

If you are standing on a border you can make contact by using the start diplomacy tab just above the espionage tab. You won't see that civ in the foreign advisor until you do. You need to have at least one contact to have the diplomacy tab available. This is very useful when trying to make contact by suicide curragh. Often my boat will stop in a sea tile adjacent to a border. Using the diplomacy tab insures contact since if the boat sinks the chance to make contact is lost on the next turn. This works in Conquests and PtW, but I'm unsure about vanilla since I've never played that.

 

[Aabraxan]

I never knew that. I always either just click on a unit or use the F4 tab. Thanks, PrinceMyshkin.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

This works in Conquests and PtW, but I'm unsure about vanilla since I've never played that.

It works in Vanilla.

 

[Rodrig0]

If you are standing on a border you can make contact by using the start diplomacy tab...

My suicide sailors' families can't thank you enough! You've saved many children from being orphans. I usually play on continents, so this will also give me more contacts sooner.