How fast should the AI win a peaceful builder victory?

[aimlessgun]

How fast should at least one AI in a standardish size game get a peaceful victory?

I ask because currently it feels like the AI usually takes far, far too long to achieve a peaceful victory. For example I just finished my first postpatch space victory (large continents) on deity, a game where I felt I didn't play all that well and launched on turn 259. At that point, only 2 other AI's had built Apollo, and both had NO parts. None. Zip. I'm sitting on this tiny 4 city empire, running a hilarious 0 gpt and only like 350 BPT, and the Deity AI's are not even in the running to beat me at a peaceful victory. Nobody had build the UN, and the most policy branches completed was 3 out of 5.

So, for each difficulty, how fast should at least one of the AI's get some sort of peaceful victory on a standardish map (around 8 AI's)?

For Deity, I'm thinking turn 250 should be the benchmark. If you can't get your peaceful victory by turn 250, you either have to screw with the AI's militarily or lose. It feels like a good number, not too stringent but not a pushover either. You could easily argue for a lower number. Deity is supposed to be hard, you're supposed to lose

What do you guys think? What about the other difficulties?

And is it possible to get the AI to win in 250 turns without just giving them even more absurd cheats?

 

[wcbarney]

Heh, heh, heh ... I'm pretty jealous because I can't do anywhere near that well even at the Emperor level. Am I so bad, or are you just bragging to intimidate the rest of us???

 

[aimlessgun]

Heh, heh, heh ... I'm pretty jealous because I can't do anywhere near that well even at the Emperor level. Am I so bad, or are you just bragging to intimidate the rest of us???

Well I'm just putting up a number for Deity b/c that's what I play, but how fast do you think the AI should win a peaceful victory on Emperor? To make it a good challenge for you but of course not too hard

 

[JaGarLo]

I personally think that AI can win a peaceful victory on King/Emperor... But very, very late on the game.

For example, on my first game on Emperor, Caesar got tecnological victory at 2014 (when I was 15 turns away to the Cultural Victory. Damn it Caesar!). Now with the slower tech race I guess AI's and players will always take too long for a peaceful victory.

Now, the Globalization tech is pretty far away, as well as all culture-related late techs, like radio.

AI's can't even get their tecnologies like in history at Prince or lower. However, at higher difficulties, they manage to research a lot at the beginning. But suddenly, at the late game they get stuck (in the game I mentioned above, at 2000 there was only one civ at the future era).

So yeah, I think AI's in King/Emperor could get a peaceful victory at about turn 400 and beyond.

 

[apocalypse105]

I olmost never see the AI won a culture victory

ANd the AI will do better if he has no competition rome conquered hole his continent and build spaceships like crazy luckly i beat him to it...


Same hapend to me with ghandi he had never been at war with anybody wich is strange( AI atack everybody).. He olmost won a culture victory every time i build a wonder ghandi did i wanted to anihalate him but i was at war with 2 other civs...

 

[Hakizo]

I understand what you mean by the AI taking too long.
I won a Culture victory on Deity on turn 216, and the 3 remaining AI in the game were all in the modern era, however only 1 had built the Apollo program, but it had been 10 turns and no parts and shown up!

Then again they were in wars, so I suppose they may have been focusing on nukes instead of space parts.

 

[nokmirt]

Heh, heh, heh ... I'm pretty jealous because I can't do anywhere near that well even at the Emperor level. Am I so bad, or are you just bragging to intimidate the rest of us???

I have no chance of doing that on King. And just think, I thought I was so smart!

 

[RedRover57]

Once players become very familiar with game strategy the AI has absolutely no chance at difficulties of Emperor or lower no matter what they do. So probably only worth discussing about Immortal and Deity difficulties.

 

[aimlessgun]

So yeah, I think AI's in King/Emperor could get a peaceful victory at about turn 400 and beyond.

Interesting. Do you think that's when they should be getting a peaceful victory? Or should King/Emperor be a bit harder, such as the AI getting a peaceful victory by turn 325-350?