How to communicate with gun nuts?

[bhavv]

Criminals with records are typically not allowed to purchase firearms. But thanks to the NRA gun nuts and Congress there are a ton of loopholes which make it quite easy for them to do so.

So they could just get a friend to buy one for them.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Not if they made the law forbidding such transfers to have a mandatory prison sentence attached to the person who violates the law by selling the gun.

The gun laws in this country are a bad joke.

 

[Colonel]

Or you know, firearms could just be made illegal? Like the rest of the developed world?

Would you like to see the world's most powerful nation erupt into a civil war? This isn't a right wing nut here speaking, we have roughly 300 million guns in circulation not counting those held by law enforcement and the military. Now in a situation where someone tried to outlaw/confiscate weapons in the US more then likely a lot of law enforcement and military would side with the populous. You would end up with a blood bath and even more weapons would end up in the hands of civilians.

 

[bhavv]

And if the person that purchased the gun didn't know about the person they were buying it for having a criminal record?

And are repeat offenders really the main cause of gun crimes, or first time offenses?

 

[bhavv]

Would you like to see the world's most powerful nation erupt into a civil war? This isn't a right wing nut here speaking, we have roughly 300 million guns in circulation not counting those held by law enforcement and the military. Now in a situation where someone tried to outlaw/confiscate weapons in the US more then likely a lot of law enforcement and military would side with the populous. You would end up with a blood bath and even more weapons would end up in the hands of civilians.

Oh yes I would like to see that very much!

 

[Colonel]

Oh yes I would like to see that very much!

Not sure if sarcasm or just stupidity. Going with the latter.

 

[Formaldehyde]

And if the person that purchased the gun didn't know about the person they were buying it for having a criminal record?

Require them to find out first just like licensed gun dealers must do.

And are repeat offenders really the main cause of gun crimes, or first time offenses?

If they can pass the background check they would have likely bought the gun themselves. But either way you can't very well stop pre-crime in a free and open society where everybody ostensibly has the right to own a reasonable firearm.

 

[bhavv]

I think you misread the second quote?

 

[Formaldehyde]

How so?

 

[Colonel]

Guns in the proper hands save lives, Mass shootings typically occur in "gun-free" zones. This is why they need to get rid of gun-free zones and allow for a nation-wide CCW, with strict training and qualifications.

 

[bhavv]

How so?

I meant to ask whether more gun crimes are caused by first time offenders that are legally allowed to purchase a gun, or repeat offenders who are not.

 

[JollyRoger]

You shouldn't need a license to exercise your Constitutional rights.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I meant to ask whether more gun crimes are caused by first time offenders that are legally allowed to purchase a gun, or repeat offenders who are not.

I have no idea. But I'd be hugely surprised that the very first crime someone was caught doing involved a firearm. That is very hardcore and usually involves a mandatory prison sentence of 5 years in the big house.

 

[bhavv]

Guns in the proper hands save lives, Mass shootings typically occur in "gun-free" zones. This is why they need to get rid of gun-free zones and allow for a nation-wide CCW, with strict training and qualifications.

So if teachers had guns, kids would never be shot at schools?

 

[bhavv]

Not sure if sarcasm or just stupidity. Going with the latter.

Oh neither. Ultimate destruction of the entire human race is my lifelong dream.

 

[Formaldehyde]

You shouldn't need a license to exercise your Constitutional rights.

You shouldn't need a reactionary Supreme Court to finally decide that over two centuries later.

 

[JollyRoger]

Even the conservatives on the Supreme Court support a bunch of gun grabbing.

 

[Colonel]

So if teachers had guns, kids would never be shot at schools?

Nothing will ever prevent things entirely but if you had either teachers or dedicated law enforcement in place at all schools I would bet good money that they would be a hell of a lot safer.

JollyRoger- Two points here, its simply insane to allow people who could potentially have severe mental illness carry a weapon or someone who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at 10ft. Thus the only way to negate that possibility is to issue out CCWs with strict weapons qualifications, backround checks, and psych evals.

 

[bhavv]

We don't have those in the UK and I'm sure our schools are very safe!

 

[Formaldehyde]

How can you be sure without having dozens of armed gun nuts on the premises? What could possibly go wrong?