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Humankind - Soviets discussion thread
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Hawke9
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By far my favorite culture card of the contemporary era
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I like that the card shows women, instead of men.
j51
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The card is almost exactly like what I would have guessed it would be, but the all women corps and the Dutch tilt angle are spicing it up a bit!
8housesofelixir
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The typical Soviet Union. Nothing fancy, nothing out of place, a Soviet Union as everyone expected. Not a bad design.
On the other hand I would suggest one thing: The bland names, which actually have a better, unique name choice. "Arms Factory", when standalone, doesn't sound Soviet at all. It's not like other cultures don't have their emblematic arms plants (Americans, for instance).
In the real life, the Soviets put a similar emphasis on weapon designing due to having a hard time accessing non-Soviet military technology. The Soviet authority established hundreds of "Design Bureaus" in charge of designing weapons, vehicles, aircrafts, and missiles, as well as building prototypes and testing them. The products would be mass produced by assigned factories - a process that the design of "Arms Factory" is based on - and equipped by the Red Army and Fleets. Many Design Bureaus evolved into NGOs and defense companies after the collapse of USSR and are still part of the defense industry of Russia today.
I would suggest "Design Bureau" instead of the generic "Arms Factory" as it is more decidedly "Soviets" and being a unique Soviet institution.
On the other hand I would suggest one thing: The bland names, which actually have a better, unique name choice. "Arms Factory", when standalone, doesn't sound Soviet at all. It's not like other cultures don't have their emblematic arms plants (Americans, for instance).
In the real life, the Soviets put a similar emphasis on weapon designing due to having a hard time accessing non-Soviet military technology. The Soviet authority established hundreds of "Design Bureaus" in charge of designing weapons, vehicles, aircrafts, and missiles, as well as building prototypes and testing them. The products would be mass produced by assigned factories - a process that the design of "Arms Factory" is based on - and equipped by the Red Army and Fleets. Many Design Bureaus evolved into NGOs and defense companies after the collapse of USSR and are still part of the defense industry of Russia today.
I would suggest "Design Bureau" instead of the generic "Arms Factory" as it is more decidedly "Soviets" and being a unique Soviet institution.
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Guandao
Rajah of Minyue, Hlai and Langkasuka
Did they skipped the Japanese? I had the impression that the last four Contemporary factions were Japanese, Soviets, Swedish, and Turkish.....Unless the Japanese aren't in and some other nation is?
This was my thought as well. They've done this a few times after all
Boris Gudenuf
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On the one hand, the graphic is of the T-34-85 from the Great Patriotic War (World War Two to you Capitalists), on the other hand, virtually ALL "Red Army Tanks" from the T-34 to the T-54/55, T-62 and T-72 shared the design features of high firepower, good armor, relatively robust and simple construction, so perhaps they wanted to encompass all the Soviet tanks of the Contemporary/Modern Era with a more generic title?
On the other hand, over 800,000 women served in the Red Army in the GPW, as fighter pilots, machinegunners, snipers, tank commanders and crew, and antiaircraft gunners (1/3 of the antiaircraft defense of Leningrad were manned by women). The only thing out of place, slightly, is having them carrying submachineguns: those were infantry assault weapons, the one task that women rarely did, and never officially. It would have been better had they been carrying sniper rifles with telescopic sights - they trained over 10,000 women as snipers.
So, no, the card doesn't necessarily need any men on it . . .
I was in missile artillery in the US Army in 1979 when women were first assigned to 'non-traditional' jobs, and the missile artillery was, at first, the only combat arm they could be assigned to. First two female privates who were assigned to my section, I gave them each a photo of a woman holding a sniper rifle, and pointed out to them that this young lady was credited with 309 kills as a sniper. Or, in other words, Lyudmila Mikhailovna Pavlichenko had single-handedly wiped out two companies of infantry, and if she could do that there wasn't anything the US Army was going to ask them to do that they could not accomplish. They both made Sergeant before I left the unit.
On the other hand, over 800,000 women served in the Red Army in the GPW, as fighter pilots, machinegunners, snipers, tank commanders and crew, and antiaircraft gunners (1/3 of the antiaircraft defense of Leningrad were manned by women). The only thing out of place, slightly, is having them carrying submachineguns: those were infantry assault weapons, the one task that women rarely did, and never officially. It would have been better had they been carrying sniper rifles with telescopic sights - they trained over 10,000 women as snipers.
So, no, the card doesn't necessarily need any men on it . . .
I was in missile artillery in the US Army in 1979 when women were first assigned to 'non-traditional' jobs, and the missile artillery was, at first, the only combat arm they could be assigned to. First two female privates who were assigned to my section, I gave them each a photo of a woman holding a sniper rifle, and pointed out to them that this young lady was credited with 309 kills as a sniper. Or, in other words, Lyudmila Mikhailovna Pavlichenko had single-handedly wiped out two companies of infantry, and if she could do that there wasn't anything the US Army was going to ask them to do that they could not accomplish. They both made Sergeant before I left the unit.
Red Army Tank = Танк-Красноармеец
(man, I know this translation isn't accurate, but it makes me laugh a lot).Why don't they have "US Army airplane" then? Or "Babylonian world wonder"?
Historical games are awesome because they refer real prototypes. T34 (85), KV-1 and 2, IS-3 (or whatever else) - they all are awesome, famed and differ from each other.
mitsho
Deity
They tend to choose generic names in Humankind irregardless, the US army airplane actually is named Lightning for example which isn't a real type name either. Rather they want to convey an idea and I think that is a fine stylistic choice. To me, it fits better with the scale (map size as well as turns/time) of Humankind. If they were consequent though, they would have named the Babylonian emblematic the "Temple Levy" or "Ziggurat Levy", but that just shows there's a difference between how the eras function. But wonders are different as they actually clearly show the building being built. 
The Soviets are fine, I'm more interested in the legacy trait anyways. But yeah, where are the Japanese?
The Soviets are fine, I'm more interested in the legacy trait anyways. But yeah, where are the Japanese?
Elhoim
Iron Tower Studio Dev
In Japan.
Boris Gudenuf
Deity
Because the F-35 Lightning is not a US Army airplane: it is a US Air Force airplane and unlike Soviet medium and main battle tanks, which show a steady set of design concept similarities from 1940 to 1990, there is much less similarity between the USAF F-4, F-15, F-16, and F-35 - let alone the more completely different F-111, B-1, B-2, or A-10. Likewise, each Babylonian (or any other) "World Wonder" is unique and distinctive - it's one of the criteria for being a World Wonder, I would think.
Please note that I am in a sense playing Devil's Advocate here - I would much rather they had picked a specific prototype and designated it: T-34-85 or T-55 would be my choices, because they were built in huge quantities and sold/transferred to more countries around the world than just about any other tanks in history. The US M4 Sherman would be about their only competitor in sheer ubiquity.
US and Soviets are the only two cultures in the last century really deserving "Expansionist" affinity, so it's fitting I guess.
One cool consequence of this could be the most globally active contenders of the end game often actually being US and Soviets due to their affinity.
One cool consequence of this could be the most globally active contenders of the end game often actually being US and Soviets due to their affinity.
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KnightModern
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last I remember someone on reddit mentioned that there wouldn't be militarist culture in contemporary era
I say ditch the expansionist and let US & soviet be militarist, both of them has military focused EQ, anyway
I say ditch the expansionist and let US & soviet be militarist, both of them has military focused EQ, anyway
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