I quite like Civ7 but feel I may need more than one version of civ in my life

[WasToxi]

So first up I can't believe the follow post got locked on Steam. Bit of a wow moment for me. Hopefully, I won't get cancelled here.

I love Civ, hopefully played every variant and even 3 I found fun.

Now I'm not a deep player and as I have a busy life I don't have a lot of time to play.

So what I love about Civ 7 is the more narrative feel of it, and it feels like a table top game.

But when I'm in the mood for a complete domination by force game I don't get the same vibes.

I also wasn't completely happy to pay the extra to get hold of Great Britain, so of feels it should have been included in the game, to me it seems interesting to include USA over Great Britain when USA is such a young country, but was not unexpected.

So what I am after is some suggestions where I can play as my home country (Britain/UK), needs to be turn based and want to have a more fun risk-like domination feel.

Doesn't have to be a Sid game, but that would be the cherry on top.

 

[Siptah]

So first up I can't believe the follow post got locked on Steam. Bit of a wow moment for me. Hopefully, I won't get cancelled here.

I love Civ, hopefully played every variant and even 3 I found fun.

Now I'm not a deep player and as I have a busy life I don't have a lot of time to play.

So what I love about Civ 7 is the more narrative feel of it, and it feels like a table top game.

But when I'm in the mood for a complete domination by force game I don't get the same vibes.

I also wasn't completely happy to pay the extra to get hold of Great Britain, so of feels it should have been included in the game, to me it seems interesting to include USA over Great Britain when USA is such a young country, but was not unexpected.

So what I am after is some suggestions where I can play as my home country (Britain/UK), needs to be turn based and want to have a more fun risk-like domination feel.

Doesn't have to be a Sid game, but that would be the cherry on top.

Europa Universalis 4 is what you might be looking for.

 

[WasToxi]

Europa Universalis 4 is what you might be looking for.

Looks interesting but would rather not have to be concerned with religion, do you know if you can turn religion off?

 

[Siptah]

Looks interesting but would rather not have to be concerned with religion, do you know if you can turn religion off?

No. But it has nothing in common with religion as in civ 5-7, and in some parts of the world, it‘s also not *that* important. E.g., if you play England/GB and stay catholic, you probably won‘t have much problems with religion, except as a modifier for diplomacy or unrest in conquered lands on other continents. It you play within the HRE, you will have to deal with the reformation though.

 

[Krajzen]

Looks interesting but would rather not have to be concerned with religion, do you know if you can turn religion off?

as an avid eu4 player

...no, no you can't, it's a historical strategy game and religion has been omnipresent force for like 99% of human history, I'm sorry what? What's the problem?

If you want to play a historical game without religion then it either has to focus on like last 200 years of human history (so check Victoria 3 and Hearts of Iron 4 of the same company that made EU4, in both you can play as Great Britain at the peak of its power) or it has to focus purely on military affairs (so check Empire Total War, or Napoleon Total War, both of which also allow to play Great Britain at the peak of its power - personally I think the former is not very good game but it still has had a lot of fans). The former are not turn based but real time games, but depending on speed which you can change at any moment they can have very slow and relaxing feel, so on lower difficulties it's pretty much the same non-stressful vibe as civ. The latter are turn based on the campaign map but battles are on separate arenas in real time - personally I dislike them precisely for the need to constantly micromanage battles in real time, so I presume you may dislike them as well, but I still felt obligated to mention them.

Warning: the games of Paradox studios (so EU4, Victoria 3, Hearts of Iron 4 and several other franchises) are very complicated, especially if you come to one at the end of its lifecycle where it has amassed a ton of features and expansions along many years. Of those three Victoria 3 focuses on the complex simulation of the economy (industrial revolution era) but outside economy it isn't overcomplicated due to being released not too long ago. HoI4 is about world war 2 and focuses on warfare and I haven't played it (I suspect it's not too complicated as well... relatively speaking...), and EU4 covers uhh everything in the 1444-1821 period and it started as not too complicated game in 2013 but it could get very hard to get into at this point after a decade of ten trillion expansions and additional features

If you don't care about the massive amount of details and AAA tier budget games then there is a lot more indie strategy games that can be found on Steam that are much much simpler than those, some coming to the point of board game - like simplicity, but I haven't played those, I just know they exist in large numbers. In fact I am 100% sure there are several somewhat straightforward video game adaptations of Risk.

 

[WasToxi]

as an avid eu4 player

...no, no you can't, it's a historical strategy game and religion has been omnipresent force for like 99% of human history, I'm sorry what? What's the problem?

If you want to play a historical game without religion then it either has to focus on like last 150 years of human history (so check Victoria 3 and Hearts of Iron 4 of the same company that made EU4, in both you can play as Great Britain at the peak of its power) or it has to focus purely on military affairs (so check Empire Total War, or Napoleon Total War, both of which also allow to play Great Britain at the peak of its power - personally I think the former is not very good game but it still has had a lot of fans)

Just annoyed me with Civ when you play a standard game, you rocking most of the map and then an AI will steamroll with religion. Just don't enjoy the religion mechanics and would rather not have to play them.

 

[Krajzen]

Just annoyed me with Civ when you play a standard game, you rocking most of the map and then an AI will steamroll with religion. Just don't enjoy the religion mechanics and would rather not have to play them.

Ahh, in this case I can understand you very well, I have also disliked this in civ6 (like most of the game) and was disappointed religion wasn't overhauled for civ7, I think it's a matter of time and either mods or some expansion changing how it works. Idk how much have you played civ5 but in civ5 religion is a) much less micromanagement based if you want to play it and b) you can completely ignore it and allow AI to convert stuff, since there are no religious victory mechanics.

I'm also not sure why do you assume completely different strategy games may have the same problem In Europa Universalis IV pretty much everything is extremely different from Civ, and religion requires very little micromanagement, not to mention there are no victory mechanics in this game, it's pure sandbox. I would recommend you trying out this game if you want slow sandbox with the absolute freedom to conquer the world as historical Britain, the only thing that may convince you it's not for you is the sheer complexity of mechanics. Read some pages from the EU4 wiki or watch some gameplay videos from youtube about it.

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Beginner's_guide
https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/England
https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Great_Britain

 

[Black Gate]

Just annoyed me with Civ when you play a standard game, you rocking most of the map and then an AI will steamroll with religion. Just don't enjoy the religion mechanics and would rather not have to play them.

Religion in EU4 is nothing like Civ. The game starts in 1444 with the existing religions of the period in place, and each has set mechanics you cannot change. With the exception of the reformations or losing a war to another power (as Britain, that would 99% of the time mean to a reformed European power, and demanding conversion is extremely rare), no outside religion can touch your lands as religious conversion is a matter of spending points (and gold? I really haven't played in a while) to change your own provinces only. Religion is more a matter of your own nation's stability than a victory condition, as EU4 has none - it's up to you what that means, which in practice usually means you get bored at some point in the 17th or 18th century and start anew.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

I love Civ, hopefully played every variant and even 3 I found fun.

This is CivFanatics plenty of people on here love every version of the game so watch out!!

Doesn't have to be a Sid game, but that would be the cherry on top.

Civ IV with diplomatic victories switched off might work for you.

 

[AD1730]

OP, give Victoria 3 a try. Religion is a rather minor aspect of the game and the UK starts off in good position to completely dominate the world.

 

[Zaarin]

Everyone here is ignoring that OP asked for a turn-based game. All of Paradox's games are Real Time With Pause. I have no suggestions, I'm afraid; none of Civ's turn-based competitors has grabbed me except Old World, and there's obviously no England in Old World. Humankind was insipid; Ara is probably a good game but more of a city-builder than 4X game and wasn't really for me; and Millennia just looked too vapid to even give it a chance.