Ideal Civ Listing for base game and initial DLCs

Hannibal XIII

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Here's my ideal base 18/4 for DLC

1) America -- Washington or Lincoln (my dream is Nixon :P )
2) France -- Philip II Augustus or Louis XIV (I am a Bonaparte-phobe)
3) Russia -- Catherine the Great or Yaroslav the Wise (or Stalin pls)
4) Germanies -- Barbarossa, Frederick II von Hohenstaufen, or Otto the Great
5) England -- Oliver "Remove Kings" Cromwell is my dream. Wellington is my second.
6) Portugal (unashamed Lusophile) -- Joao II, King of Kings (not servant of serfs!)
7) Mughals -- (Allah) Akbar
8) Iran -- Either a Sassanid like Shapur or Khosrau or a Safavid (Ismail or Abbas)
9) The Turk -- Safiye Sultana
10) China -- Taizong or Qianlong Emperors.
11) Kongo -- Afonso I
12) Japan -- really like this Hojo pick, could also go for Meiji
13) Egypt -- Thutmose III or Ramesses II. Or Hatshepsut
14) Burma, to switch up things -- Tabinshweti or Bayinnaung
15) Greeks -- Thucydides, baby! Also be down with someone fun like Alcibiades
16) Rome -- really like this Trajan pick. Also up for Julius Caesar again
17) Mexican Triple Alliance -- Axayacatl
18) Inca -- Pachacuti or Huayna Capac

4 DLC
1) Spain -- Isabella
2) Arabs -- I like that Nasser idea, but one of the good Khilafas could work as well
3) Carthage -- Hamilcar Barca. Or Hannibal again
4) Mongols (free) -- GENGHIS KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
 
Here's my ideal base 18/4 for DLC

1) America -- Washington or Lincoln (my dream is Nixon :P )
2) France -- Philip II Augustus or Louis XIV (I am a Bonaparte-phobe)
3) Russia -- Catherine the Great or Yaroslav the Wise (or Stalin pls)
4) Germanies -- Barbarossa, Frederick II von Hohenstaufen, or Otto the Great
5) England -- Oliver "Remove Kings" Cromwell is my dream. Wellington is my second.
6) Portugal (unashamed Lusophile) -- Joao II, King of Kings (not servant of serfs!)
7) Mughals -- (Allah) Akbar
8) Iran -- Either a Sassanid like Shapur or Khosrau or a Safavid (Ismail or Abbas)
9) The Turk -- Safiye Sultana
10) China -- Taizong or Qianlong Emperors.
11) Kongo -- Afonso I
12) Japan -- really like this Hojo pick, could also go for Meiji
13) Egypt -- Thutmose III or Ramesses II. Or Hatshepsut
14) Burma, to switch up things -- Tabinshweti or Bayinnaung
15) Greeks -- Thucydides, baby! Also be down with someone fun like Alcibiades
16) Rome -- really like this Trajan pick. Also up for Julius Caesar again
17) Mexican Triple Alliance -- Axayacatl
18) Inca -- Pachacuti or Huayna Capac

4 DLC
1) Spain -- Isabella
2) Arabs -- I like that Nasser idea, but one of the good Khilafas could work as well
3) Carthage -- Hamilcar Barca. Or Hannibal again
4) Mongols (free) -- GENGHIS KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN


1) Lincoln I wouldn't mind.:) Washington we have only just had though, so I would prefer someone other to him. Nixon certainly wouldn't be my choice; very controversial, deceptive, and was he really one of America's greatest leaders? He basically made a complete mess in Vietnam before rapidly withdrawing so that the South very quickly fell to the communists.

2) For me, Louis XIV would be the best choice.

3) Catherine or Stalin would both be fine with me.:) Yaroslav couldn't really be leader of Russia though; he could just as easily lead Ukraine.

5) As someone earlier pointed out, England is the country which makes least sense to select a ruler that was against Monarchy.

7) Would prefer either a later Mugahal emperor who ruled more of India was chosen, like Aurangzeb, but this would not be a bad choice.

8) Would definitely rather another Achaemenid emperor was chosen.

9) As far as female rulers for Turkey go, I think that Kösem Sultan, who ruled as regent for something like 12 years at around the peak of the Ottoman empire, would make more sense.

14) Burma under Bayinnaung would be awesome.

16) I agree

1) Would prefer Phillip II to Isabella defiantely
2) Not a fan of this Nasser idea.
3)Both good choices
 
Well, my ideal list of civs for base game would be this way:

6 civs from Europe
6 civs Asia
3 civs from Africa
2 civs from North America
1 civ from South America

1- America (Abraham Lincoln or George Washington)
2- Arabia (Saladin)
3- Aztecs (Moctezuma)
4- China (Qin Shi Huang)
5- Egypt (Cleopatra)
6- England (Victoria)
7- France (Napoleon or Louis XIV)
8- Germany (William I or Bismarck)
9- Greece (Alexander)
10- Inca (Pachacuti)
11- India (Ashoka)
12- Japan (Jimmu or Hojo Tokimune)
13- Khmer (Suryavarman II)
14- Kongo (Afonso I)
15- Mali (Mansa Musa)
16- Persia (Cyrus)
17- Rome (Augustus)
18- Russia (Catherine or Ivan the Terrible)


And for DLCs:

3 civs from Europe
3 civs Asia
1 civ from Africa
1 civ from North America
1 civ from South America
1 civ from Oceania

1- Brazil (Pedro II)
2- Denmark or Vikings (Harald Bluetooth, Rollo or Olaf Tryggvason)
3- Ethiopia (Zara Yaqob)
4- Maya (Pacal II)
5- Mongolia (Genghis Khan)
6- Ottomans (Osman I)
7- Poland (Casimir III)
8- Polynesia (Kamehameha)
9- Spain (Isabella)
10- Sumeria (Gilgamesh)
 
To get in on the ideal list bandwagon:

1. China - Huang
2. Egypt - Hatshetsup
3. Rome - Trajan
4. Greece - Alexander
5. Persia - Cyrus
6. Mongolia - Ghengis
7. Ottomans - Mehmed II
8. India/Mughals - Ashoka
9. England - Churchill
10. France - Louis XIV
11. Germany - Barbarossa
12. Russia - Catherine
13. America - Jefferson
14. Aztecs - Montezuma I
15. Inca - Pachacuti
16. Mali - Mansa Musa
17. Japan - Tokugawa
18. Spain - Ferdinand

Then for 4 DLC + 1 Pre-order

19. Khmer - Open
20. Sumer - Open
21. Assyria - Open
22. Navajo - Open
23. Brazil - Open

Back on topic- I still think if we can figure out an Ottoman name for B5, the picture I found of an Osman fits ?even though it's the wrong one).
 
Might as well hop onto the ideal list train:

1. Aztecs - Montezuma
2. France - Charles de Gaulle/Louis XIV/Napoleon III could all work
3. America - Franklin D. Roosevelt
4. Japan - Meiji
5. England - Victoria/Edward VII
6. India - Akbar
7. Germany - Frederick the Great
8. Russia - Catherine the Great
9. Rome - Julius Caesar
10. Ottomans - Ataturk
11. Spain - Isabella
Spoiler :
12. Georgia - Tamar


Those are all the ones I actually know stuff about.
 
Mine would be:

My list would be:

1- China- Kangxi
2- Egypt- Hatshepsut
3- Rome- Trajan
4- Greece- Pericles
5- Persia- Cyrus
6- Mongolia- Genghis
7- India- Ashoka
8- England- Disraeli
9- France- Louis XIV
10- Germany- Barbarossa
11- Russia- Catherine II
12- America- Kennedy
13- Aztecs- Montezuma I
14- Inca- Huayna Capac
15- Japan- Meiji
16- Spain- Felipe II
17- Arabia- Al-Walid I
18- Burma- Bayinnaung

DLC:
1- Ottomans- Murad IV
2- Massagatae- Tomyris
3- Korea- Munjeong
4- Madagascar- Ranavalona I

edit: Forgot Babylon and Sumer. I suppose I'd swap Tomyris of Scythia for a ruler of Babylon, such as Hammurabi , Nabopolassar or Nebuchadnezzar II.
 
18 leaders/civs + 4 of the DLC variant.

America - Calvin Coolidge or John Adams.
Babylon - Hammurabi
England - Elizabeth.
Wallachia/Romania - Vlad Tepes
Rome - Trajan or Marcus Aurelius
Greece - Pericles
China - Emporer Wu of Han
Inca - Topa Inca Yupanqui
Chinook - Comcomly
Japan - Loving the Hojo Tokimune
India - Asoka
Germany - Again, loving Barbarossa
France - The Sun King.
Dahomey - Agaja
Lan Xang - Visoun
Russia - Catherine the Great
Spain - Isabella
Mongols - Genghis Khan

DLC

Hungary - Matthias Corvinius
Georgia - Tamar (I actually want this now.)
Aztecs - Ahuizotl
Akkadia - Sargon
 
18 leaders/civs + 4 of the DLC variant.

America - Calvin Coolidge or John Adams.
Babylon - Hammurabi
England - Elizabeth.
Wallachia/Romania - Vlad Tepes
Rome - Trajan or Marcus Aurelius
Greece - Pericles
China - Emporer Wu of Han
Inca - Topa Inca Yupanqui
Chinook - Comcomly
Japan - Loving the Hojo Tokimune
India - Asoka
Germany - Again, loving Barbarossa
France - The Sun King.
Dahomey - Agaja
Lan Xang - Visoun
Russia - Catherine the Great
Spain - Isabella
Mongols - Genghis Khan

DLC

Hungary - Matthias Corvinius
Georgia - Tamar (I actually want this now.)
Aztecs - Ahuizotl
Akkadia - Sargon

I have literally no knowledge of Lan Xang, besides it having existed, and being a predecessor to modern Laos. The Wikipedia write up for Visoun is very limited, whilst Fa Ngum, Photisarath, Setthathirath and Sourigna Vongsa have significantly more written about them. What makes Visoun the best choicefor leader of Lan Xang?
 
I have literally no knowledge of Lan Xang, besides it having existed, and being a predecessor to modern Laos. The Wikipedia write up for Visoun is very limited, whilst Fa Ngum, Photisarath, Setthathirath and Sourigna Vongsa have significantly more written about them. What makes Visoun the best choicefor leader of Lan Xang?

Not necisarilly the best choice, but rather, the best choice for a more culture oriented civ. I debated about the conqueror leaders, especially with the "Million Elephants and White Parasols" translation of the countries name, but decided that culture would be a good choice.

That said, we have been having cultural (in a fashion) SE Asian civs of late, between the Khmer and Siam, so maybe a warmonger would be a refreshing change.

Also, Mods: I hadn't seen your response and separation of the Leader Portraits thread. Merge plz. :crazyeye:
Moderator Action: Merge done.
 
Not necisarilly the best choice, but rather, the best choice for a more culture oriented civ. I debated about the conqueror leaders, especially with the "Million Elephants and White Parasols" translation of the countries name, but decided that culture would be a good choice.

That said, we have been having cultural (in a fashion) SE Asian civs of late, between the Khmer and Siam, so maybe a warmonger would be a refreshing change.

Do you have any other information on Visoun besides the Wikipedia page, as it is very limited? Because the construction work and texts from his reign, according to this, were in large part religious. That would surely mean he would make most sense as a religious leader? In which case, his successor, Photisarath, who ruled longer, and was apparentely 'the most devout of the Lao kings' would make even more sense as a religious leader? Again though, besides looking at Wikipedia, I have no knowledge of Lan Xang.

In terms of more expansive SEA nations, the Burmese empire under Bayinnaung was apparently the largest in the history of that region (learned this on another thread in this site not long ago).
 
For civs from Southeast Asian, I would prefer both Khmer and Siam. However, Khmer before Siam.
 
This would be my list:
America: 2
-United States of America - Abe Lincoln
-The Incas - Pachacuti
Africa - 2
-Egypt - Thutmose III
-Kongo - Ana Nzinga
Europe - 6
-France - François Ier
-England - Alfred
-Germany - Frederick
-Russia - Peter I
-Rome - Trajanus
-Greece - Leonidas
Asia - 8
-Arabia - Al-Khayzuran
-Persia - Shapur II or Borandukht
-India - Ashoka
-The Khmer - Suryavarman II
-China - Wu Zetian or Taizong
-Japan - Meiji
-Sumeria - Ur-Nammu
-Tibet - Khri ma lod
Pre-order bonus
-Mongolia - Genghis Khan
First 4 DLC's
-Spain - Philip II
-Myanmar - Bayinnaung
-The Aztecs - Tenoch
-Turkey - Osman I
Other civs and leaders I'd like to see:
-The Maya - Yohl Ik'Nal
-Ethiopia - Makeda
-Carthage - Hannibal
-Babylonia - Hammurabi
-Israel - Solomon
-Georgia - Tamar
-Italy - Lorenzo de Medici
-The Norse - Canute
-Korea - Seondeok
-Indonesia - Tribhuwana
-Sri Lanka - Parakrabamahu I
-Vietnam - The Trung Sisters
-Nabataea -Aretas III
 
Why does everyone want Pacahuti again? He isn't he only Inca emperor, and we just had him in Civ 5! Also, I feel Munjeong would be better for Korea than Seondok, as she actually ruled Korea. Seondok representing Korea would be like Offa being leader for England. Trung sisters I would not like either; that would be like Joan of Arc for France. Makeda for Ethiopia would seem to me to be a poor choice; we don't even know if she ruled there! There are Ethiopian empresses that we are more sure about, so why not one of them? I definitely feel Ana Nzinga does not make sense for Kongo; she did not rule Kongo. The leader you have chosen for Tibet does not seem to have a lot known about her, so I would prefer Songstan Gampo.
 
My ideal Civ list:

18 Base Civs:
America — President Lincoln
Aztec — Montezuma
China — Emperor Guangwu (Liu Xiu)
Egypt — Hatshepsut
England — Queen Victoria
France — King Louis XIV
Gran Colombia — Simón Bolivar
Greece — Alexander the Great
Holy Roman Empire — Charlemagne
Japan — Empress Suiko
Mongols — Genghis Khan
Ottoman — Selim I
Persia — Xerxes I
Rome — Julius Caeser
Russia — Catherine the Great
Sioux — Sitting Bull
Sumer — Gilgamesh
Zulu — Shaka

18 Civs from Expansions/DLC:
Algeria — Ahmed Ben Bella
Aquitaine — Eleanor of Aquitaine
Arabia — Harun Al-Rashid
Brazil — Getúlio Vargas
Byzantium — Theodora
Canada — Mackenzie King
Carthage — Hannibal
Georgia — Tamar
India — Bal Gangadhar Tilak
Indonesia — Gajah Mada
Iroquois — Hiawatha
Korea — Empress Myeongseong
Morocco — Abd Al-Rahman
Netherlands — William of Orange
Polynesia — Kamehameha
Siam — Ramkhamhaeng
Spain — Isabella I
Venice — Leonardo Loredon

This list was a bit rushed, but I think it covers most things.
 
Trung sisters I would not like either; that would be like Joan of Arc for France.
The Trung Sisters actually ruled Vietnam as Queens for 3 years after liberating it. Unlike Joan of Arc, they were actual rulers.
The leader you have chosen for Tibet does not seem to have a lot known about her, so I would prefer Songstan Gampo.
Khri ma lod would be one of the best leaders of Tibet. She can be called the "Tibetan Wu Zetian", who lived during the same period. Ruling Tibet as regent for more than 20 years, she pursued massive expansion of the Empire in all directions, and led the Tibetan Empire to its Golden Age.
 
Here's my list:

EUROPE:
America - Teddy Roosevelt
England - Victoria
France - De Gaulle
Germany - Frederick
Russia - Lenin
Greece - Pericles
Rome - Julius Caesar

ASIA
China - Qin Shi Huang
Japan - Meji
Vietnam - Trung Trac

MIDDLE EAST
Arabia - Saladin
Egypt - Djoser
Sumer - Gilgamesh
India - Gandhi (sorry I like the joke)

AFRICA
Kongo - Nzinga

AMERICAS
Aztec - Montezuma
Inca - Pachacuti
Mississippians - Tuscaloosa
 
America- Thomas Jefferson
Mexico- Benito Juarez
Colombia- Simon Bolivar
Argentina- Eva Peron
Lebanon- Youssef Bey Karam
Israel- David
Phillipines- Ferdinand Marcos
Cuba- Fidel Castro
Canada- ?
Australia- ?
Sioux- Sitting Bull
Russia- Ivan the Terrible or Nikita Khrushchev
Mesopotamia- Sargon of Akkad(Sumeria), Hammurabi(Babylon)
Anatolia(Hiitites)
 
The Trung Sisters actually ruled Vietnam as Queens for 3 years after liberating it. Unlike Joan of Arc, they were actual rulers.

Khri ma lod would be one of the best leaders of Tibet. She can be called the "Tibetan Wu Zetian", who lived during the same period. Ruling Tibet as regent for more than 20 years, she pursued massive expansion of the Empire in all directions, and led the Tibetan Empire to its Golden Age.

The Trung sisters only briefly ruled a small section of the Northern part of modern Vietnam and a small part of the South of China. Vietnam was a very small nation then, and not wholly inside the borders modern nation. And three years is not that much. Also, the comaparrisson to Joan still stands; they were brave, but ultimately were defeated. There are other Vietnamese rulers a lot more successful than that. Nguyễn Huệ didn't rule long either, but more was accomplished in this time, and his reign didn't end in defeat. Le Loi, Gia Long and others I also think would be better choices.

However, I am more persuaded about your choice for Tibet now. Where did you get your information about Khri Ma Lod? I was only looking at her Wikipedia page, having never heard of her before. From your description she sound interesting, a good choice in fact, but I couldn't find much on her.
 
America- Thomas Jefferson
Mexico- Benito Juarez
Colombia- Simon Bolivar
Argentina- Eva Peron
Lebannon- Youssef Bey Karam
Israel- David
Phillipines- Ferdinand Marcos
Cuba- Fidel Castro
Canada- ?
Australia- ?
Sioux- Sitting Bull
Russia- Ivan the Terrible or Nikita Khrushchev
Mesopotamia- Sargon of Akkad(Sumeria), Hammurabi(Babylon)
Anatolia(Hiitites)

Well, apparently you're a sympathizer of modern civs.

But I think your list leaves Europe and Africa little represented.
 
Well, apparently you're a sympathizer of modern civs.

But I think your list leaves Europe and Africa little represented.

I think he was listing future DLC he wanted, not his choices for base game. But even then, I see some Lebbannon as an odd choice.
 
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